Utility bill

[Ysabel]

I'm a new member here who's been thinking about getting a CCW at some point. I have a question though: it looks like a utility bill or some proof of residence is required. What if you have no utility bills/rent records in your name? (Living with parents, for instance.) Would DMV registration work? Or would you have to get the renter/bill-payer to somehow prove your residence? Just curious!

[CalCCW03]

I believe a cell phone bill has worked in the past. I could be wrong though, some one will chime in if I am..

[NSP]

At my class the instructor never said anything about cell phone bills that I can remember. Now I am curious as well.

[CCWInstructor]

A cell phone bill can be sent to any address, no it does not count.

[CalCCW03]

And there you have it

[Rob P.]

Personally I think the utility bill verification thing is silly. Afterall, what the SD is really asking is:

Does a mega corp know who you are well enough to vouch that you reside at a specific address.

When you think about it, So Cal Gas Co has no idea who you are or if you actually live/reside at the address they send the bill to. They don't care except that someone pays the bill. AND most households have all the utilities in one persons name even if several live there. Usually the breadwinners name so anyone else (mom for ex.) is outta luck unless they change the name on one utility bill.

And look at married couples who divorce (or even if he has a mistress) and all the bills are paid by the husband as part of the court ordered settlement. What does the the ex wife (or mistress) do when she doesn't have the bills in her name?

A Credit Card is a totally different story. The person holding the credit acct must reside at the billing address which cannot be a P.O. box. So the CC statement is better proof of residency than the elec bill but it's not acceptable.

Perhaps a physical residency check should be used instead?

[hbliam]

Originally Posted by Rob P.

Personally I think the utility bill verification thing is silly. Afterall, what the SD is really asking is:

Does a mega corp know who you are well enough to vouch that you reside at a specific address.

When you think about it, So Cal Gas Co has no idea who you are or if you actually live/reside at the address they send the bill to. They don't care except that someone pays the bill. AND most households have all the utilities in one persons name even if several live there. Usually the breadwinners name so anyone else (mom for ex.) is outta luck unless they change the name on one utility bill.

And look at married couples who divorce (or even if he has a mistress) and all the bills are paid by the husband as part of the court ordered settlement. What does the the ex wife (or mistress) do when she doesn't have the bills in her name?

A Credit Card is a totally different story. The person holding the credit acct must reside at the billing address which cannot be a P.O. box. So the CC statement is better proof of residency than the elec bill but it's not acceptable.Perhaps a physical residency check should be used instead?

Negative. My wife has one of our credit cards sent to her office location. Also, I have many friends that live in Sunset Beach and Surfside. They have have PO Boxes as their primary mail location.

Edit: and you are right they should do a more thorough job of checking potential CCW holders out.

[BonoVox]

Making any intentionally false statements on the application is a crime (Penal Code 12051) and can be prosecuted either as a misdemeanor or a felony.

Just remember above....I think the utility bill(s) is suficent. Anything more would require they stake out your residence. If that was required I think you know what would happen to issue rates. If someone wants to go out of their way to break the law and give up their chance to EVER get a CCW in the future and maybe even give up their gun ownership rights. Than I guess........

The laws are already there to be enforced. It is within the SD's right to investigate if they think there is a crime being commited. If you were to arouse suspicion or someone turns you in. You can bet they will do that drive by check of your listed residence.

[NSP]

Personally, I'm licensed and bonded as a Vehicle Verifier in the state of California and my permit has my address on it. I just use that when I pickup my handgun.

[newshooterinca]

I brought every utility bill to my interview and she only took one saying it was sufficient.

I for one have a mailbox address on my driver license & registration to make sure a thief who might steal my car, keys, wallet etc won't be able to find me and steal some more. More and more people are doing this, hence the need for a utility bill.

[X-ffdo]

My CDL, all bills including CC bills, reflect my POBox, as we do not have USPS delivery service in my comunity. When you buy a house here, the PO gives you a free PO Box. FedEx and UPS wiil deliver to your physical address, then again, any USPS mail has to go to your PO box.
The gas, water, and electrical bill will reflect the physical address of service in addition to your mailing address.
Remember the sheriff dept. has to work within budgetary confines. Some do better than others.

[kantstudien]

Originally Posted by Rob P.

Perhaps a physical residency check should be used instead?

Maybe a 10 day wait is insufficient for purchasing firearms, how about 20? While we are it, maybe people who want to purchase firearms should be required to get a psych eval prior to every purchase? And let's limit the number of guns purchased to 6 per year.

My reductio is trying to show that the solution is never to pass more laws while we are having trouble enforcing (or even understanding) the ones on the books right now. If something works, let's not opt for a more inconvenient option.

[Ysabel]

Thanks for all the responses!
So, cell phone bill doesn't work, credit card doesn't work?, and car registration...no definite answer? Yikes.

I'd hate to have physical residency checks. "Hey neighbor, why did the sheriff's dept. visit you this morning?" "Er - um - I'mapplyingforaCCWandtheyhavetocheckmeoutthxbye!"

[X-ffdo]

Car registration, if my memory serves me well, is good for weapons registration, as in a FFL transfer. I am uncertain if it is valid as proof of residence for CCW.
Can anyone clarify that, please?

[Spicy McHaggis]

You might want to try calling the CCW number listed on the OCSD website and ask them about this. They may be able to clarify what else you can bring in to them. I recall reading another post somewhere about someone that applied, but all of the utility bills were in his wife's name and they still accepted that. Maybe a letter from your parent's would be enough or have one of them write a letter of recommendation for you and have them state that you live at home. Just throwing out ideas here. It would be best to call OCSD and see what they say.