Avid Shooter

[GunSlut]

I had Breakfast with CCWI this AM, he was in Northern California last week training LEO's and teaching his handgun classes this weekend.

He has gotten lots of calls last week, the weekend and today about avid shooter. People are getting rejected.

Since July of 2006 he has publicity stated on CCW boards that avid shooter has never existed. It is a Urban Legend. Even last week he stated that here.

http://www.calccw.com/Forums/general...en-denied.html

Judging from the phone calls he has gotten, people that lurk on other sites and believing their information. One guy was told last week durning his interview that avid shooter is not a good reason, he needs a good cause.

Several others have taken classes before even apply from another CCW vendor. That instructor has told them to apply as a avid shooter. They are being reject also.

After the bad information blows up in their face they are calling, PMing and E-mailing CCWI asking for his help. He doesn't mind helping people before and durning the process. It's very hard for him to fix it after you have already screwed up.

What I have a problem with is people are paying another CCW vendor for classes, getting what they pay for. Screwing up and then asking Greg for his help. THAT IS JUST WRONG! They need to contact the person they paid.

Greg is a businessman too. If you go somewhere else and then need his help, do you expect him to do it for free? That isn't fair to Greg.

We are very fortunate to have him on this site. I know he has more important things to do than help us all.

[Rob P.]

I absolutely appreciate the help that Greg gives to this forum. I know that without his advice I would have left a simple but critical sentence out of my GC statement.

I did offer to pay for his time and he graciously said no. I think I still owe him at least a cuppa and a donut and if I ever get down his way when he's there I'll gladly pay up.

He should consider telling people that he'll look into their problems but they gotta pay him cash. Ya know, life in the fast lane... (I think there's a song in there somewhere )

He should also report the "other" instructors to whomever controls their licensing/training/continuing ed requirements. Giving bad info to students is seriously wrong.

[Glock32]

Originally Posted by Rob P.

I absolutely appreciate the help that Greg gives to this forum. I know that without his advice I would have left a simple but critical sentence out of my GC statement.

I did offer to pay for his time and he graciously said no. I think I still owe him at least a cuppa and a donut and if I ever get down his way when he's there I'll gladly pay up.

He should consider telling people that he'll look into their problems but they gotta pay him cash. Ya know, life in the fast lane... (I think there's a song in there somewhere )

He should also report the "other" instructors to whomever controls their licensing/training/continuing ed requirements. Giving bad info to students is seriously wrong.

How about paying him back by taking some of his training classes? After all that is what he does for a living and he is pretty good at it, too. One can never get too much training, so look at it as a win-win.

[Justaguy]

Originally Posted by GunSlut

What I have a problem with is people are paying another CCW vendor for classes, getting what they pay for. Screwing up and then asking Greg for his help. THAT IS JUST WRONG! They need to contact the person they paid...

Makes sense, when you put it that way...

[BonoVox]

Originally Posted by Glock32

How about paying him back by taking some of his training classes? After all that is what he does for a living and he is pretty good at it, too. One can never get too much training, so look at it as a win-win.

Never been a better win win IMO!

For those of you that have not taken one of his classes you are missing out. I just took his intermediate class yesterday! Awesome training and fun fun fun too!!

Plus you get to hang out with a bunch of Gun Nuts and do the gun version of bench racing. Great stories.

[CCWInstructor]

Originally Posted by Rob P.

I absolutely appreciate the help that Greg gives to this forum. I know that without his advice I would have left a simple but critical sentence out of my GC statement.

I did offer to pay for his time and he graciously said no. I think I still owe him at least a cuppa and a donut and if I ever get down his way when he's there I'll gladly pay up.

He should consider telling people that he'll look into their problems but they gotta pay him cash. Ya know, life in the fast lane... (I think there's a song in there somewhere )

He should also report the "other" instructors to whomever controls their licensing/training/continuing ed requirements. Giving bad info to students is seriously wrong.

Rob,

Thank you for your kind words. OCSD doesn't care what the other vendors do as long as they adhere to the min. standards. They vendor doing this is also the same one who trains people before they get approved. Per OCSD, you are suppose to get your training AFTER you have been approved for further processing. I know the rules, I set the program up with Lt. Hogbin when Mike came into office.

Greg

[Cuban8]

I didn’t do my CCW class with Greg, but with the other vendor. The “other CCW instructor” did assist in refining my good cause, which was accepted by OCSD. During the CCW class, the instructor polled the class, approximately 40 students, and most said they are using Avid Shooter as their good cause. This instructor said Avid Shooter is a good cause for issuance in Orange County.

I don’t have anything against training with the other vendor/instructor, as I have trained with him in the past. However, Greg has provided me with so much of his time, weather it be giving advice or providing services for free, that I feel compelled to train with Greg in order to give back a little of what he’s given to me.
Not only that, but past training with Greg has been extremely fun and informative.

[Dan M.]

Originally Posted by Cuban8

I didn’t do my CCW class with Greg, but with the other vendor. The “other CCW instructor” did assist in refining my good cause, which was accepted by OCSD. During the CCW class, the instructor polled the class, approximately 40 students, and most said they are using Avid Shooter as their good cause. This instructor said Avid Shooter is a good cause for issuance in Orange County.

I don’t have anything against training with the other vendor/instructor, as I have trained with him in the past. However, Greg has provided me with so much of his time, weather it be giving advice or providing services for free, that I feel compelled to train with Greg in order to give back a little of what he’s given to me.
Not only that, but past training with Greg has been extremely fun and informative.

This duplicates my experience as well.

[Spicy McHaggis]

Originally Posted by Cuban8

I didn’t do my CCW class with Greg, but with the other vendor. The “other CCW instructor” did assist in refining my good cause, which was accepted by OCSD. During the CCW class, the instructor polled the class, approximately 40 students, and most said they are using Avid Shooter as their good cause. This instructor said Avid Shooter is a good cause for issuance in Orange County.

I don’t have anything against training with the other vendor/instructor, as I have trained with him in the past. However, Greg has provided me with so much of his time, weather it be giving advice or providing services for free, that I feel compelled to train with Greg in order to give back a little of what he’s given to me.
Not only that, but past training with Greg has been extremely fun and informative.

Sounds like that instructor will have a lot of angry students calling him after they get denied. If I was one of those students, I would be asking for a refund!

I'm just glad we have someone like CCWI on this site to offer his expertise and to give us correct information. Without this site and him, I probably would never have even applied.

In addition to his CCW class, I'd also highly recommend taking his other training classes. I've taken many of them already and will say that I learned a lot and had a lot of fun. If you don't have a rifle, shotgun, or handgun to use for a class, he will supply them. Once you get in to the intermediate class and higher, you begin to work with holsters and speed loaders. Very good practice for anyone thinking about applying for a CCW.

[hygyliac]

Originally Posted by CCWInstructor

Rob,

I know the rules, I set the program up with Lt. Hogbin when Mike came into office.

Greg

This statement alone aught to give people who are contemplating applying for or renewing their CCWs something to to think about. It is apparent that CCWI's credentials and experience speak for themselves. I for one would not argue with John Moses Browning about the 1911.

[REJM]

In addition to his CCW class, I'd also highly recommend taking his other training classes. I've taken many of them already and will say that I learned a lot and had a lot of fun. If you don't have a rifle, shotgun, or handgun to use for a class, he will supply them. Once you get in to the intermediate class and higher, you begin to work with holsters and speed loaders. Very good practice for anyone thinking about applying for a CCW.[/quote]

HEY ALL! DON'T FORGET THOSE "SPOUSES & SIGNIFICANT OTHERS!"

I, (we), are going for an extened, "CCWInstructor Class" at the end of this month because, I need the extra training and practice, and my wife needs the reassurance that I know what I am doing, and that she too may be able to correctly and properly handle firearms in a safe and prudent manner, especially since we do have children visiting the house, now and then. She calls it a "De-Gunning to be Sound," for the "Children Running Around!" Also, I am away on business flights for long periods of time, and it is only prudent to assure the "comfort zone" with my wife who may be at home for numerous nights alone...with only a fine "Golden Re-liever," who awaits only the time to help out the next "Bad Guy" by carrying the silverware!!!!Tee hee...Ha. Ha. (Greg gave her lessons over twelve (12) years ago, or so).

Travel and Carry Safe, and be sure to share your experiences and "learning curve" with those you love and trust! Who knows, maybe they will go for their "CCW's" too!

[DVSmith]

Originally Posted by REJM

...a fine "Golden Re-liever," who awaits only the time to help out the next "Bad Guy" by carrying the silverware!!!!Tee hee...Ha. Ha. (Greg gave her lessons over twelve (12) years ago, or so).

I didn't know that Greg trained BG Assist Animals!

[CCWInstructor]

In the last 10 days I am averaging 2 to 3 phone calls a day with this issue. Another one got shutdown yesterday and this mourning. I had three calls by 2:00 pm today.

This is getting old real fast.

[hygyliac]

Brother its your own fault. If you (and Female Instructor again I suck up) weren't so good at what you do, you wouldn't have that problem.

[GunSlut]

It's actually the other trainers giving out bad information. That's the problem.