Avid Shooter

[CCWInstructor]

Originally Posted by Rob P.

IF what Gunslut says is true, one of the "students" needs to complain to the SO or DA about fraud issues. A simple undercover investigation into the "guarantee" part will prove the fraud and the operation could be shut down. It's a scam being run on the unsuspecting public.

IT IS TRUE! I have known about for years. I'm not going to dime off competition. I have told disgruntled students to contact PSD. No sure if they have, judging by the people coming out of the wood work, I don't think they have.

Look at it from their perspective, they will be admitting to PSD they put the cart before horse. What would PSD do to them IF they were to reapply with a legitimate good cause two years later.

[Female Instructor]

There are six approved catagories that OCSD issues under and "Avid Shooter" is not one of the listed catagories! I too have heard about this other vendor upselling his classes for years. It's only recently started to really gnaw at me because of the implications it has down the road... Mike Carona is my greatest concern. He is our elected official and a damn good one. What happens if these disgruntled customers of this other vendor take it out on Mike at the ballot boxes the next election? What this vendor has done violates the spirit of everything OCSD set up when Mike Carona took office.

On a side note. While this other CCW vendor may offer some unusual classes, please be advised that he is doing some of them without the proper licensing and what he is doing is illegal. It's a violation of CA state law for civillians to shoot full autos: Firearms Training Associates Foreign Automatic Weapons.

[WKC]

I've always wondered about those full auto classes and how it was possible.

As for their CCW classes, I noted the following statement in the class description on their web site:

This course does not guarantee a C.C.W. permit.

I guess it's buyers beware.

[tango-52]

Originally Posted by CCWInstructor

That licensing is to train security guards only

That is unfortunate. It is handy to have a state agency that can handle Professional Standards issues. Keeps it from being a local issue with claims of one vendor trying to undercut the other.

[Hoser]

I called those other guys before I knew about Greg. They wanted money for each gun, they wanted money to add/change a gun later, they had range fees, etc.

I then found out about Greg...one fee covers everything, including CA and FL if you wish, AND adding/changing guns down the road. In fact, Bono Vox and a couple of other came to the class to add a gun.

Greg is certainly the way to go. Great instructor and honest businessman!

[GunSlut]

Originally Posted by WKC

As for their CCW classes, I noted the following statement in the class description on their web site:

I guess it's buyers beware.

No the point is you are suppose to take the class AFTER you have been approved for further processing. It states that right in the documentation OCSD mails you.


CCWI would not need that statement on his classes, he trains them after they have been approved, per policy.

[WKC]

Originally Posted by GunSlut

No the point is you are suppose to take the class AFTER you have been approved for further processing. It states that right in the documentation OCSD mails you.


CCWI would not need that statement on his classes, he trains them after they have been approved, per policy.

The addition point is that an instructor should be the SME in the subject they are teaching. Being such, I would expect the instructor to question prospective students as to what county they are in and for the case of the OC, whether the student is at the appropriate stage of the process to take the class and if not, to inform them of the that fact.

[GunSlut]

Originally Posted by WKC

The addition point is that an instructor should be the SME in the subject they are teaching. Being such, I would expect the instructor to question prospective students as to what county they are in and for the case of the OC, whether the student is at the appropriate stage of the process to take the class and if not, to inform them of the that fact.

Not when you are in it for the money.

Normally, after you have been approved is when you get the list of instructors. CCW applicants don't know who they are till then. Except when you pre-sell the class to people.

[K-dog.v3]

I eavesdropped on the pitch at Turners.

[Turtle72]

Where can I find the six categories under which a ccw is issued in ocsd? Ty

[akulahawk]

Those six categories will probably not be made known to the general public. I'm only guessing here, but the reason would be that good cause statements would not be personal good cause statements anymore. There would be a ton of generic stuff that won't fit YOUR situation.

No, I do not know the details of OC's policy as I am from Sacramento. I'm just looking at this from a logical standpoint.

[CCWInstructor]

Originally Posted by Turtle72

Where can I find the six categories under which a ccw is issued in ocsd? Ty

They are not public. I will not publish that internal document here or anywhere else. If anybody else does, I'm sure the moderators will delete it. It doesn't matter anyway. YOUR good cause is YOUR good cause.

[Turtle72]

That's odd, Why would the six appoved categories be kept secret? I mean if you fall into one of the six categories you would most likely be issued a ccw and if you didn't, you probably wouldn't be issued one.

[TaxMan]

That's the point, once you submit or offer up YOUR good cause statement, those categories are what become the determining factor, on whether or not you get "approved for further processing".

[hygyliac]

Originally Posted by Turtle72

That's odd, Why would the six appoved categories be kept secret? I mean if you fall into one of the six categories you would most likely be issued a ccw and if you didn't, you probably wouldn't be issued one.

I like how GunSlut responded to an identical question in another thread "CCWs That Have Been Denied"

"So, your asking people to list what works and what doesn't. That will never happen on this site, EVER! Your good cause is your good cause, and if it doesn't work, that means you are not meeting the standards to get one issued. END OF STORY!"