Avid Shooter

[huna koa]

again...buyer beware; I read the whole flyer including the disclaimer;'no guarantee of your CCW permit'; it was repeated when I took the class;'not everyone will get their CCW permit, your county SD has the last word'.

[Glock32]

...or maybe NOBODY ever told him Avid Shooter was no longer good cause in OC? Could there be a slight chance that he just never got 'the call'?

[DVSmith]

Originally Posted by Glock32

...or maybe NOBODY ever told him Avid Shooter was no longer good cause in OC? Could there be a slight chance that he just never got 'the call'?

I don't buy it. I would expect one or more clients to contact said instructor and say: WTF???? I did what you said and I was denied!

[Dan M.]

I e-mailed them with the question a week or two ago and I also gave them my cell phone number. I rarely have my cell on however. Haven't heard back although I did have a missed call from an unknown number a day after I e-mailed them.

[alexf9496]

Interesting thread.

I'm curious how this run of "avid shooter" GC denials will impact the CCW program as a whole? Could it have any negative affect on new or renewal applicants or will each GC stand on it's own merit?

[Glock32]

Originally Posted by DVSmith

I don't buy it. I would expect one or more clients to contact said instructor and say: WTF???? I did what you said and I was denied!

I am not talking about his students. I am talking OCSD. How would he know why his students got denied? OCSD will not tell them why they got denied in the first place.
I can guarantee you that he does not need to mislead people to get his classes filled. Many of you may not want to hear it, but the man has a first class operation going on.

If I will have to take the lead on this I will do it. There are several members here who know the man as well or better than I do. Let's keep it real guys.

[THE Gimper]

Originally Posted by Glock32

I am not talking about his students. I am talking OCSD. How would he know why his students got denied? OCSD will not tell them why they got denied in the first place.
I can guarantee you that he does not need to mislead people to get his classes filled. Many of you may not want to hear it, but the man has a first class operation going on.

If I will have to take the lead on this I will do it. There are several members here who know the man as well or better than I do. Let's keep it real guys.

I'm with you.

[DVSmith]

Originally Posted by Glock32

I am not talking about his students. I am talking OCSD. How would he know why his students got denied? OCSD will not tell them why they got denied in the first place.
I can guarantee you that he does not need to mislead people to get his classes filled. Many of you may not want to hear it, but the man has a first class operation going on.

If I will have to take the lead on this I will do it. There are several members here who know the man as well or better than I do. Let's keep it real guys.

I guess it would have a lot to do with how in touch he is with his clients. If he had two or three come back and tell him they were denied and they had an avid shooter good cause, wouldn't that raise a red flag?

[THE Gimper]

Originally Posted by DVSmith

I guess it would have a lot to do with how in touch he is with his clients. If he had two or three come back and tell him they were denied and they had an avid shooter good cause, wouldn't that raise a red flag?

But there could be any number of reasons why an applicant got denied. All they tell you when you get denied is that it was determined that sufficient cause did not exist. It could be that you just didn't document your good cause well enough.

And, for the record, when I applied and was initially turned down, this instructor did help me with my appeal so that I eventually was successful.

[huna koa]

was NOT used at all for my written GC; not even mentioned in my face to face interview. I heard the phrase when I was in the class and I also heard that there was no guarantee of a CCW if the you were. I was told by both the SD AND the class instructor that I should not only practice once a week, but compete in IPSC/IDPA or similar more than once a month and also take more classes to increase my proficiency.

[alexf9496]

Originally Posted by Glock32

OCSD will not tell them why they got denied in the first place..

You know this as fact? If PSD is slammed with avid shooter denials, Melissa just might tell them during the interview to save time.

Originally Posted by Glock32

I can guarantee you that he does not need to mislead people to get his classes filled.

True. With his name and retail marketing assistance, I'm sure he has all the business he needs. There's no doubt that he's successful.

Originally Posted by Glock32

Many of you may not want to hear it, but the man has a first class operation going on.

Depends on how you define "first class operation."

[BonoVox]

What miffs me is "Avid Shooter" has NEVER been excepted as good cause in Orange County. So what am I missing? Why is this instructor sending people in for guaranteed failure?

I guess it does shed light on why he instructs students to ignore OCSD, CCW application procedures and has his students pay and take his class BEFORE their approval with OCSD.

When I called CCWInstructor for the very first time to sign up for his CCW class. The first thing out of his mouth was "have you received your OCSD letter stating you have been approved for further processing?" there was no doubt that was required before I could sign up for his CCW class.

[BonoVox]

Originally Posted by THE Gimper

But there could be any number of reasons why an applicant got denied. All they tell you when you get denied is that it was determined that sufficient cause did not exist. It could be that you just didn't document your good cause well enough.

And, for the record, when I applied and was initially turned down, this instructor did help me with my appeal so that I eventually was successful.

This is the second batch of students that have been slammed. I would not think it is hard to figure out what is going on. There is a common thread. They all used AS as their GC.

Anyway, sounds like a few of you know him fairly well. Maybe a phone call needs to be made. So if he is blindly ignorant. He can be set straight.

[DVSmith]

Originally Posted by THE Gimper

But there could be any number of reasons why an applicant got denied. All they tell you when you get denied is that it was determined that sufficient cause did not exist. It could be that you just didn't document your good cause well enough.

And, for the record, when I applied and was initially turned down, this instructor did help me with my appeal so that I eventually was successful.

I don't know the instructor in question (at least I don't think so). But this is a REALLY small community. I would think whoever it is would be better informed and would be tracking the success rate of his students. That just seems like reasonable client management to me.

That being said, poor quality output can affect the whole community. That is my biggest concern.

[Bombard]

Originally Posted by THE Gimper

But there could be any number of reasons why an applicant got denied. All they tell you when you get denied is that it was determined that sufficient cause did not exist. It could be that you just didn't document your good cause well enough.

And, for the record, when I applied and was initially turned down, this instructor did help me with my appeal so that I eventually was successful.

Same here.

My initial application was turned down, the letter said that I hadn't shown good cause. A couple of years later my cause hadn't changed a bit, but with CCWI's help my presentation of it was improved, and I was approved.

(my cause is related to my business, but of course I won't be more specific in public.)