When to carry..?

[gravedigger]

Originally Posted by Tom98915

the only time I don't carry is when I am at work. Other than that, I carry all the time.

I don't understand the logic that concludes; You are "at work" so you are not in danger." Coworkers go ballistic all the time, and your employer does not offer or even hint at providing personal protection for you. So maybe it won't be a coworker. Maybe some disgruntled customer who is pissed that he had to return his vacuum cleaner three times for the same repair suddenly comes screaming into your company's parking lot with a shotgun and a few handguns and a "Hi! ... Everyone DIES today!" look on his face.

I am self-employed, but in this world, I wouldn't work for any employer that tried to tell me I couldn't be armed at ANY time while working for him. If he thinks he has nullified my right to personal safety with the wage he is paying, he is sorely mistaken. If some employer told me I couldn't carry, I'd tell him to find someone else to do the job and walk out saluting him over my shoulder with my extended middle finger.

[1buba]

Originally Posted by gravedigger

I don't understand the logic that concludes; You are "at work" so you are not in danger." Coworkers go ballistic all the time, and your employer does not offer or even hint at providing personal protection for you. So maybe it won't be a coworker. Maybe some disgruntled customer who is pissed that he had to return his vacuum cleaner three times for the same repair suddenly comes screaming into your company's parking lot with a shotgun and a few handguns and a "Hi! ... Everyone DIES today!" look on his face.

I am self-employed, but in this world, I wouldn't work for any employer that tried to tell me I couldn't be armed at ANY time while working for him. If he thinks he has nullified my right to personal safety with the wage he is paying, he is sorely mistaken. If some employer told me I couldn't carry, I'd tell him to find someone else to do the job and walk out saluting him over my shoulder with my extended middle finger.

That statement is just pure ignorance in this economy. It's statements like these that have me putting you back on "ignore".

[Glock32]

Originally Posted by snowball2

I dont carry my gun 24/7, in fact I only carry when i think i may need it during my job. I know most of you would disagree with me.
Usually, i am not in a area or out late when a crime could occur. If it happens during the day, i would call 911 and let LEO's do their job.
Carry a gun, trouble will follow.

Wow! Are you kidding? Where is the troll hat?
Hope your gun won't be sitting in your safe when the day comes. Now THAT would suck wouldn't it?

[Scout]

Originally Posted by snowball2

I dont carry my gun 24/7, in fact I only carry when i think i may need it during my job. I know most of you would disagree with me.
Usually, i am not in a area or out late when a crime could occur. If it happens during the day, i would call 911 and let LEO's do their job.
Carry a gun, trouble will follow.

If you are able to tell when and where a crime will occur, you may be a syco, I mean...you must have esp.

When attending my final CCW class, Instructors' advised all "that if and when you receive your permit, You are expected to CCW 24/7".

Apparently.....you must have "esp", by your statement above.

Godspeed my friend, lest you find yourself in a situation where your "esp" failed you.

And in that situation, be prepared to explain to your family that you only obtained your CCW as a collectible item.

[huna koa]

Originally Posted by Scout

If you are able to tell when and where a crime will occur, you may be a syco, I mean...you must have esp.

When attending my final CCW class, Instructors' advised all "that if and when you receive your permit, You are expected to CCW 24/7".

Apparently.....you must have "esp", by your statement above.

Godspeed my friend, lest you find yourself in a situation where your "esp" failed you.

And in that situation, be prepared to explain to your family that you only obtained your CCW as a collectible item.

..CCW classes for two counties because I wanted to learn as much as I could and also to see if there were differences between adjacent counties where I travel and work. Both said the same thing;'if you get your permit, we want you to carry 24/7 and ... ... ... take care of ... ... ... and then call us'.

[THE Gimper]

Originally Posted by Poogsdad

You are absolutely correct in calling 911 and letting our local LEOs handle it if trouble should find you, however, what will be your physical, emotional, and psychological condition when they do eventually arrive? Worse yet, what will be the physical, emotional, and psychological condition of your family or loved ones when they arrive?

On the other hand, to think that, while being physically attacked, you would have the a) time b) opportunity to call 911, describe the nature of the emergency, and wait for help to arrive is just plain foolish. Just something to consider.

[gravedigger]

Originally Posted by 1buba

That statement is just pure ignorance in this economy. It's statements like these that have me putting you back on "ignore".

I'm all broken up about this. I'm not saying I WOULD carry, I am saying I reserve the right to decide whether or not I DO carry. What does the ECONOMY have to do with requiring an employee to be unarmed? Are you saying "jobs" are hard to find? not if you are employable, you know ... you have an education ... and skills ... and you're not a drug addict or an alcoholic or suffering from mental issues. Please don't tell me that while working in a company that suddenly finds itself the target of some nut job's ire because of a customer service issue, that I should remain there, UNarmed, waiting for this lunatic to walk in with a shotgun. Sorry. Ignore me if you wish, but you won't ever have to worry about me working for you. I'm self-employed. I work for ME.

[Mad Geek]

I think you're missing 1buba's point, gravedigger. You stated "If some employer told me I couldn't carry, I'd tell him to find someone else to do the job and walk out.." and his point is that in the current economy, there are a lot of people that don't have the flexibility to walk out on a paycheck.

I've been with the company I work for 30+ years and I will be here a few more before I am ready to leave. It wasn't until I applied for and received my CCW license that I found out that company policy states that I may not carry weapons or ammunition onto company property OR while on company business. This includes in my own vehicle (although I generally drive a company vehicle while on company business). Violation of this policy CAN result in termination. I don't agree with their position and certainly don't like it at all. The part that keeps me working under those conditions is the time I have invested that I'm not willing to throw away with job prospects not being what they were.

I'd prefer to exercise my 2nd Amendment rights at my place of business, but my employer (a large California corporation) obviously has a different view on employees needs to use deadly force during our day to day contact with the communities we support.

You being self-employed can say whatever you want and thumb your nose at employers you don't have to deal with. Most of the rest of us have to be conscious of and go along with what "the man" requires to continue working toward retirement.

[PUNK]

Originally Posted by gravedigger

I don't understand the logic that concludes; You are "at work" so you are not in danger." Coworkers go ballistic all the time, and your employer does not offer or even hint at providing personal protection for you. So maybe it won't be a coworker. Maybe some disgruntled customer who is pissed that he had to return his vacuum cleaner three times for the same repair suddenly comes screaming into your company's parking lot with a shotgun and a few handguns and a "Hi! ... Everyone DIES today!" look on his face.

I am self-employed, but in this world, I wouldn't work for any employer that tried to tell me I couldn't be armed at ANY time while working for him. If he thinks he has nullified my right to personal safety with the wage he is paying, he is sorely mistaken. If some employer told me I couldn't carry, I'd tell him to find someone else to do the job and walk out saluting him over my shoulder with my extended middle finger.

[Tom98915]

Originally Posted by gravedigger

I don't understand the logic that concludes; You are "at work" so you are not in danger." Coworkers go ballistic all the time, and your employer does not offer or even hint at providing personal protection for you. So maybe it won't be a coworker. Maybe some disgruntled customer who is pissed that he had to return his vacuum cleaner three times for the same repair suddenly comes screaming into your company's parking lot with a shotgun and a few handguns and a "Hi! ... Everyone DIES today!" look on his face.

I am self-employed, but in this world, I wouldn't work for any employer that tried to tell me I couldn't be armed at ANY time while working for him. If he thinks he has nullified my right to personal safety with the wage he is paying, he is sorely mistaken. If some employer told me I couldn't carry, I'd tell him to find someone else to do the job and walk out saluting him over my shoulder with my extended middle finger.

To clarify without being specific as to where I work or what I do - I cannot carry at work is it is ILLEGAL and I will go to jail. Good enough?

[1buba]

Originally Posted by AMS MIKE

hahahahahahahahahha PERFECT!!!

[NSP]

I'd say that neither stance is wrong. And certainly nobody here is "stupid".

Someo of us find that our rights come first and foremost and live their life accordingly. Others of us allow our rights to be oppressed to gain advantages that an employer may be giving them.

Both are good decisions, but both have their drawbacks.

I am truely fortunate as I have a really good job, when I asked my employer if I could carry after I got my permit he just wanted to know what I was carrying and to make sure I carried every day

[1buba]

Originally Posted by NSP

I'd say that neither stance is wrong. And certainly nobody here is "stupid".

Someo of us find that our rights come first and foremost and live their life accordingly. Others of us allow our rights to be oppressed to gain advantages that an employer may be giving them.

Both are good decisions, but both have their drawbacks.

I am truely fortunate as I have a really good job, when I asked my employer if I could carry after I got my permit he just wanted to know what I was carrying and to make sure I carried every day

NSP, I agree with you. however, the "stupid" comment was based on the fact that one posted implied that you were somehow not man enough if you would let employment come between you and your rights.

CCW is not a right in California. I wish it were.

BTW, I worked for a guy like that once... Me. :-)

[Norseman]

Ballturret, I've written a little poem for you as to when you should CCW. It's kind of tongue in cheek, but you'll get the point. Read it like you were reading a Dr. Suess book.

I will CC when I talk.
I will CC when I walk.
I will CC in my car. I can't shoot that far.
I will CC on a boat, even one that does not float.
I will CC on a plane. I will CC on a train.
I will CC on my bike, or even on a hike.
I will CC in the rain, even if it is a pain.
I will CC when it's sunny. If I'm out hunting bunnies.
I will CC in the dark. I won't light up a Lark.
I will CC in the light, even past twilight.
I will CC when I skate, or even on a date.
I will CC in a church, on pews made out of birch.
I will CC while at school, I'll obey the golden rule.
I will CC in a store, that's for sure.
I will CC in my house, even sleeping on the couch.
I will CC when I fish, even though I might get an itch.
I will CC when I hunt, when using my deer grunt.
I will CC on a trip, even though it rubs my hip.
I will CC when I fly, I won't be the one to die.
I will CC when I eat. I really like this elk meat.
I will CC when I drink, when I’m rinsing out the sink.
I will CC when I'm happy. I won't get trigger slappy.
I will CC when I'm sad. I don't shoot all that bad.
I will CC when in Frisco, while dancing at a disco.
I will CC on my roof. I won't act like a goof.
I will CC in the attic. I won't go spasmadic.
I will CC in the basement. I will watch my finger placement.
I will CC when I swim, even if it's on a whim.
I will CC without a smirk. I won't act like a jerk.
I will CC with my spouse. We might head-pop a mouse.
I will CC for a roll in the clover.
I will CC until it's over.

[PUNK]

Originally Posted by Norseman

Ballturret, I've written a little poem for you as to when you should CCW. It's kind of tongue in cheek, but you'll get the point. Read it like you were reading a Dr. Suess book.

I will CC when I talk.
I will CC when I walk.
I will CC in my car. I can't shoot that far.
I will CC on a boat, even one that does not float.
I will CC on a plane. I will CC on a train.
I will CC on my bike, or even on a hike.
I will CC in the rain, even if it is a pain.
I will CC when it's sunny. If I'm out hunting bunnies.
I will CC in the dark. I won't light up a Lark.
I will CC in the light, even past twilight.
I will CC when I skate, or even on a date.
I will CC in a church, on pews made out of birch.
I will CC while at school, I'll obey the golden rule.
I will CC in a store, that's for sure.
I will CC in my house, even sleeping on the couch.
I will CC when I fish, even though I might get an itch.
I will CC when I hunt, when using my deer grunt.
I will CC on a trip, even though it rubs my hip.
I will CC when I fly, I won't be the one to die.
I will CC when I eat. I really like this elk meat.
I will CC when I drink, when I’m rinsing out the sink.
I will CC when I'm happy. I won't get trigger slappy.
I will CC when I'm sad. I don't shoot all that bad.
I will CC when in Frisco, while dancing at a disco.
I will CC on my roof. I won't act like a goof.
I will CC in the attic. I won't go spasmadic.
I will CC in the basement. I will watch my finger placement.
I will CC when I swim, even if it's on a whim.
I will CC without a smirk. I won't act like a jerk.
I will CC with my spouse. We might head-pop a mouse.
I will CC for a roll in the clover.
I will CC until it's over.

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