Drew my firearm for the first time...

[CCWInstructor]

Originally Posted by Got Stuff?

I feel the same way. Just yesterday, Aug 20th, I posted a question in the topic "Hi-cap mags in your new carry O.K.?" http://www.calccw.com/Forums/ccw-acc...rry-o-k-3.html. It was an honest, real and simple question that was only asking for a simple factual answer but the thread was closed right after my post without my question being answered which is the exact opposite of what this forum "claims" to be.

...Robert...

Robert,

All you had to do was PM me and ask the question. I would have answered it just like I did in a PM to you.

As far as your "claim" once again, PMing me versus whinnying about on a totally unrelated thread would have been better too.

Greg

[OCRancher]

" suggest reading ON COMBAT, by Lt. Col. Dave grossman."

Second that. I read my copy within 24 hours of receiving it. Changed my whole perpective on self defense AND gun ownership. I owe special thanks to "A Guy" for getting me to read that book. Before that, a gun was either for hunting or fun shooting. Now it is a part of a 'toolchest' in life.

[Don Retired Officer]

El Gato, I have pulled my duty weapon and discharged it at another person. You re-live the experience over and over. However, I still believe I did the right thing. By the way, a 357 sounds awfully good in an apartment complex when you are pulling the trigger!!!

The BG in my case leaned out of a car window as it was leaving and pointed a gun at me. I was in fear of my life and the danger presented to the residents of the complex that I was a security guard for.

[X-ffdo]

Reminds me of "Getting the runs". I was one time up on a rooftop, lit up a cigarette, I was not a smoker, but a stupid teen. Wrong place, wrong time, in middle of a revolution. Well, I learned that light travels faster than sound after I saw muzzle flashes and the some tracers fly by, the booming sound... Hit those stairs like really fast.
That is "Getting the runs"

[toolrulez]

Originally Posted by Tom98915

An incident happened very recently where I had to unholster my firearm for the first time. Thankfully I never had use it and the LEOs that showed up took my statement about what illegal activity the other party did and let me go about my business. I still look back on it and have many second thoughts about the incident and how it could have gone down or gone bad, how I could have avoided it, and I seem to be second guessing myself.

Is this feeling common with those of you who have had to unholster yours?

I have never had to unholster mine and hope that I never have to. That being said, this is my philosophy. If you used strong verbal commands, given time and/or there was an immediate threat of bodily harm or injury to yourself or someone else you should unholster and shoot with very little hesitation.

There are exceptions, and I don't know your full story. For example, if shooting in your situation had a decent probability of hitting an innocent person, then yes not firing may be the correct answer.

It is always good to re-asses the situation after for better outcomes, but never second guess yourself.

If the situation was just illegal activity, they don't know you are there, and you can not perceive any serious bodily harm or endangerment of life, then just get out of there and call 911 immediately.

[bluemalibu]

An incident just occurred that highlights how useless we are without a firearm...

I retired from working a narcotics detection dog with the DOD a few years ago, and have since returned to school to pick up a medical license.

Returning from campus along a farming road, four miles from school, and about a mile from any structure, I see a kid of about 6 yrs old being put into a trunk of a vehicle parked on the shoulder of the road.

I started slowing to whip the car around, when I realized that I wouldn't be able to do the kid a bit of good if I got blown away as I pulled my car up to the guy. ( While technically legal to carry a firearm on campus with a CCW here, it is a violation of college regs and cause for immediate expulsion if discovered carrying on school grounds, thereby flushing three years of work down the drain, so I was unarmed)

I looked back and saw that the guy's head was facing the opposite direction, and so I drove my car off of the road into some trees, within site of his car. I phoned in my location and a description of the perp and his vehicle to 911, then waited for the marked units to arrive. About eight minutes later, I see the vehicle pull away from the shoulder and flip around, heading back into the direction of the school.

When he had gotten about 1/2 mile away, but still within eyesight, I pulled out and followed him until he pulled into a convenience store parking lot.

I notified the dispatcher of his new location, and pulled up to a gas pump pretending to fill up. It took about 4 more minutes before four units arrived on scene simultaneously... one city, one county, and two state vehicles from different agencies.

We found two young kids in the backseat, but the trunk was empty. The guy says that the kids were his grandchildren, and for fifteen minutes he denies having had them in the trunk.

The kid's parents were contacted and verified that the driver was indeed the grandparent, and after getting the kid's story while off by themselves, the guy finally fesses to letting the kids play "Escape" from the trunk... by sealing one inside, and letting the other kid lay the back seat down to allow him to flee from his bondage into the interior of the car.

[gravedigger]

Originally Posted by Tom98915

I kept it by my side pointed at the ground for the whole 10 seconds it was out.

Yeah, that happens around age 50.

[snowball2]

i know your incident happen a while ago and I am glad you are alright.

I too have had a incident happen to me and here is one that really could have turned bad.

I am not going into all the detail but this is the high-lite of what happened.

A guy (S1) got into a fight with a person I was with (V1). V1 & S1 were intoxicated. S1 was yelling that he was just in the gulf war and he had a 9mm and stated he was going to "clock" me or V1. S1 then hit the side of my vehicle full fist and it appeared he hit a cross-member on the body of the vehicle which caused his right hand to mush on impact. At the time he said he was carrying i pushed V1 into the vehicle and closed the door turning back to S1 and said "please do not hit my vehicle" as I have nothing to do with your anger towards V1. At that moment he crouched down and with his right hand reached behind his back and said he was going to clock me. I quickly turned right going behind my vehicle and quickly got up to the drivers seat and took off, I looked in my right mirror and saw him running behind me. I stopped at the stop sign and a cop was sitting there, i rolled through the stop sign and stopped in front of him pointing to the cop then to the guy running behind me and i drove off.
I don't know how it turned out in the end with the cop and S!

In that situation every thing moved in slow motion. I know I could have pulled my gun after 1) he stated he had a gun. 2) he reached behind as to grab the gun. but I chose life, his and mine.
Yes, i had my eye on him as I was backing off and if he would have produced a gun, i would have drawn on him and shot.

[SierraNevadaCCW]

Originally Posted by snowball2

i know your incident happen a while ago and I am glad you are alright.

I too have had a incident happen to me and here is one that really could have turned bad.

I am not going into all the detail but this is the high-lite of what happened.

A guy (S1) got into a fight with a person I was with (V1). V1 & S1 were intoxicated. S1 was yelling that he was just in the gulf war and he had a 9mm and stated he was going to "clock" me or V1. S1 then hit the side of my vehicle full fist and it appeared he hit a cross-member on the body of the vehicle which caused his right hand to mush on impact. At the time he said he was carrying i pushed V1 into the vehicle and closed the door turning back to S1 and said "please do not hit my vehicle" as I have nothing to do with your anger towards V1. At that moment he crouched down and with his right hand reached behind his back and said he was going to clock me. I quickly turned right going behind my vehicle and quickly got up to the drivers seat and took off, I looked in my right mirror and saw him running behind me. I stopped at the stop sign and a cop was sitting there, i rolled through the stop sign and stopped in front of him pointing to the cop then to the guy running behind me and i drove off.
I don't know how it turned out in the end with the cop and S!

In that situation every thing moved in slow motion. I know I could have pulled my gun after 1) he stated he had a gun. 2) he reached behind as to grab the gun. but I chose life, his and mine.
Yes, i had my eye on him as I was backing off and if he would have produced a gun, i would have drawn on him and shot.

What the....? Turn in your gun to the nearest police station. Tell them I sent yah.

[snowball2]

dude..

i don't even want to respond to your stupid response.

azz..

[CalCCW03]

Originally Posted by snowball2

dude..

i don't even want to respond to your stupid response.

azz..

Snowball2,
While this is an internet forum where differences of opinion may occur on a regular basis, we are very firm with our policy of not acting in an offensive towards fellow members.

It is obvious that you did not agree with the response you received to your post, nevertheless it is not acceptable to use terms such as "stupid" or "azz, a$$, etc, etc." when refering to any member.

[SierraNevadaCCW]

Originally Posted by snowball2

dude..

i don't even want to respond to your stupid response.

azz..

You just did

V1, S1 and hand mushing? Now THAT's funny. DUDE...your police report jargon was either a clever (but failed) attempt at parody in order to mock us --- or the work of someone who should surrender their permit immediately. Either way, it was inappropriate. And using profanity toward any member here is a one way ticket to persona non grata.

Now go get yourself a 7-11 hotdog, put it in a warm tin foil wrapper, and have a super-duper one.

[AMS MIKE]

Originally Posted by SierraNevadaCCW

You just did

V1, S1 and hand mushing? Now THAT's funny. DUDE...your police report jargon was either a clever (but failed) attempt at parody in order to mock us --- or the work of someone who should surrender their permit immediately. Either way, it was inappropriate. And using profanity toward any member here is a one way ticket to persona non grata.

Now go get yourself a 7-11 hotdog, put it in a warm tin foil wrapper, and have a super-duper one.

+1

[rundmlee]

Hi Snowball2,
I'm glad that ultimately everyone came out safe. Your scenario reminds me of an NRA video of a CCW's responsibility to actively avoid conflict. If I were to use your scenario as an example to a class, I would ask the class if you did a good job getting out of that conflict safely... I'm sure many would say yes, since you did get out of there without incident. However, I would then ask the class, did that person do everything they could do to avoid such conflict? I'm not sure.. but some may argue that going to a venue where people are getting intoxicated and you are with company that are getting intoxicated, then perhaps you were not doing your best to avoid conflict and instead putting yourself into a volitile environment. At least you weren't intoxicated, but still... while carrying, it's a good idea to consider who you're hanging out with and where and determine if you are truly doing your best to avoid conflict...

[EM2]

Originally Posted by SierraNevadaCCW

You just did

V1, S1 and hand mushing? Now THAT's funny. DUDE...your police report jargon was either a clever (but failed) attempt at parody in order to mock us --- or the work of someone who should surrender their permit immediately. Either way, it was inappropriate. And using profanity toward any member here is a one way ticket to persona non grata.

Now go get yourself a 7-11 hotdog, put it in a warm tin foil wrapper, and have a super-duper one.

I do not see where you are offended by snowball2 remarks. I did not and cannot see where these remarks are some kind of parody of police report jargon. Please explain.