Tip: If you don't have your CCW yet.....

[hbliam]

don't call the police while carrying.

Thought you guys would find this amusing.

Had a guy call us at about 11PM last night stating that a building he owned had about 8-10 gangmembers hanging out behind it and he wanted us to meet him over there to move them along. Four of us showed up and one of the other Officers told me they had done this for the owner a couple times now.

So we walk in and they scatter but we manage to round them up and have a talk with them about not urinating on the property and taking their parties elsewhere, etc, etc. Boring in other words and then all leave.

So we and the owner are getting into our respective cars when one of our Officers notices that as the owner is getting into his truck he drops something and picks it up. Hmm, sure looks like a loaded magazine.

I'm about to drive away when I see the two Officers draw their weapons and order the guy out of the car. Sure enough the guy is strapped with a .40 caliber semi-auto fully loaded and one in the chamber (and the safety off, the idiot).

So he got to go to jail and his car got to go to impound. Not the sharpest tool in the shed.

[OCRancher]

Hmmm. Was he standing on HIS business property when this occurred?

[hbliam]

Originally Posted by OCRancher

Hmmm. Was he standing on HIS business property when this occurred?

No. In fact he didn't even own the building we went to it turns out, his father does.

I guess I should have guessed this "dumb caller" story wouldn't be appreciated by a few.

[Sigman]

Of course he was in the wrong. He was just protecting himself like we all would want to. I don't know why he needed a gun if he called the police to be there with him.

[OCRancher]

Originally Posted by hbliam

No. In fact he didn't even own the building we went to it turns out, his father does.

I guess I should have guessed this "dumb caller" story wouldn't be appreciated by a few.

If you omit facts I will question your story. But, thanks, for the LATE clarification.

[hbliam]

Originally Posted by OCRancher

If you omit facts I will question your story. But, thanks, for the LATE clarification.

If he was on his property and hadn't broke the law what we would have taken him to jail for?

My point was I thought it was funny story. Sorry it's getting turned into a pissing match with you thinking we violated someone's rights.

I'll quit posting here.

[OCRancher]

Originally Posted by hbliam

If he was on his property and hadn't broke the law what we would have taken him to jail for?

My point was I thought it was funny story. Sorry it's getting turned into a pissing match with you thinking we violated someone's rights.

I'll quit posting here.

Please don't quit posting. I have ALWAYS appreciated your posts. For the purpose of furthering this forum and the LEO that appreciate the 2A rights that pertain to CCW, I apologize.

Howevver, recognize the fact tht you omitted one small item that would have prevented the average CCW or legal gun owner from making my comment.

No biggee, so we worked it out. He was not on his business properry. Just add next time "He dropped his mag in the ______ (Alley?) and we..."

[Sigman]

Sometimes it's hard to get all the details in on a post but whatever. I think it was a great post and a great point not to carry without a CCW. It would be a shame if you quit posting.

[hbliam]

Originally Posted by OCRancher

Please don't quit posting. I have ALWAYS appreciated your posts. For the purpose of furthering this forum and the LEO that appreciate the 2A rights that pertain to CCW, I apologize.

Howevver, recognize the fact tht you omitted one small item that would have prevented the average CCW or legal gun owner from making my comment.

No biggee, so we worked it out. He was not on his business properry. Just add next time "He dropped his mag in the ______ (Alley?) and we..."

Thanks for the post. I apologize for getting uptight about it. I guess I got a bit perturbed with the assumption that we violated this guys rights. We get that enough from the thugs, don't need it from "friends".

To further clarify. He didn't own the property, it wasn't a commercial property, his truck was parked around the corner on the street, and lastly we were pissed at ourselves for taking this armed guy with us unknowingly. That won't happen again.

[Apeman88]

Originally Posted by hbliam

Thanks for the post. I apologize for getting uptight about it. I guess I got a bit perturbed with the assumption that we violated this guys rights. We get that enough from the thugs, don't need it from "friends".

To further clarify. He didn't own the property, it wasn't a commercial property, his truck was parked around the corner on the street, and lastly we were pissed at ourselves for taking this armed guy with us unknowingly. That won't happen again.

So if this happened with a CCW holder that was issued in OC... at what time would we advise you we have a CCW? I assume he met you at night in not-so-great of a place. Would his advising you he has a CCW cause more problems? I mean... in my head... I have a senario where he's on his Dad's property close to the gang bangers... you guys pull up and started rounding the bangers up after they try to run... at this point he's close to you guys yet have no chance to talk to you yet since your attention is with the bangers... am I correct? He probabily got chance to talk to you guys after you guys took care of the bangers and he's probabily standing right behind you guys armed all this time. And first chance he can talk to you and advise he has a CCW is after the incident... after 10 to 15mins standing behind you guys... would this not piss you off finding out afterwards yet he has no chance to tell you right when you guys pull up? I guess my question is.. in situations like this... when something is going down as you pull up... and the caller has a CCW... when do you want to be notifed?

Just trying to learn more about how to handle situations like this. I help with my parent's apartments at times... never had any problems... and have yet have to go the property at night with cops after I got my CCW.

[Spicy McHaggis]

Originally Posted by Apeman88

So if this happened with a CCW holder that was issued in OC... at what time would we advise you we have a CCW? I assume he met you at night in not-so-great of a place. Would his advising you he has a CCW cause more problems? I mean... in my head... I have a senario where he's on his Dad's property close to the gang bangers... you guys pull up and started rounding the bangers up after they try to run... at this point he's close to you guys yet have no chance to talk to you yet since your attention is with the bangers... am I correct? He probabily got chance to talk to you guys after you guys took care of the bangers and he's probabily standing right behind you guys armed all this time. And first chance he can talk to you and advise he has a CCW is after the incident... after 10 to 15mins standing behind you guys... would this not piss you off finding out afterwards yet he has no chance to tell you right when you guys pull up? I guess my question is.. in situations like this... when something is going down as you pull up... and the caller has a CCW... when do you want to be notifed?

Just trying to learn more about how to handle situations like this. I help with my parent's apartments at times... never had any problems... and have yet have to go the property at night with cops after I got my CCW.

The guidelines for OC state "If contacted by a police officer for any reason, license holder shall immediately announce that they are carrying a concealed weapon and has a license to do so." He doesn't need to tell them until after they "contact" him, but it might be an option to tell the operator so they can tell the responding units the caller has a CCW.

If they go right after the bangers first, you are better off waiting until the police come to you instead of trying to run after them to tell them you have a CCW.

[Apeman88]

Originally Posted by Spicy McHaggis

The guidelines for OC state "If contacted by a police officer for any reason, license holder shall immediately announce that they are carrying a concealed weapon and has a license to do so." He doesn't need to tell them until after they "contact" him, but it might be an option to tell the operator so they can tell the responding units the caller has a CCW.

If they go right after the bangers first, you are better off waiting until the police come to you instead of trying to run after them to tell them you have a CCW.

I know the guideline. What I'm interested in knowing is, in real life, how should it be handled? In my head, after the cops round the bangers up, the guy probabily went over to where the cops and bangers were standing either by himself or by request of the LEOs to identify they are the trouble makers. I doubt the cops would want to be notified by the guy he has a CCW while they have their attention on the bangers. But OC policy is at first contact. And if I follow policy... would I be in cuffs until the LEOs sort it out? And if I notify after the situation settles, would I be in cuffs for annoucing my CCW status at the end of the "contact" instead of at first contact?

[Spicy McHaggis]

Originally Posted by Apeman88

I know the guideline. What I'm interested in knowing is, in real life, how should it be handled? In my head, after the cops round the bangers up, the guy probabily went over to where the cops and bangers were standing either by himself or by request of the LEOs to identify they are the trouble makers. I doubt the cops would want to be notified by the guy he has a CCW while they have their attention on the bangers. But OC policy is at first contact. And if I follow policy... would I be in cuffs until the LEOs sort it out? And if I notify after the situation settles, would I be in cuffs for annoucing my CCW status at the end of the "contact" instead of at first contact?

If they went for the bangers first and none of them approached you, then they didn't make contact. First contact would be when they approched you, not when they arrived on scene.

Lots of "definition loopholes" in their terms I think. It states "police officer" when they should state "peace officer". This leaves it open for a big misinterpretation! Maybe they have a better definition on the actual permit or somewhere else?

[hbliam]

We met the guy a couple blocks away. If he was legit he could have told us then. It was odd that he wanted to meet us and walk in with us in the first place and we normally don't do that but for some reason we did.

If he told us he was CCW and was legal to do so we would have just told him to go home or to wait where he was while we took care of the problem.

[OCRancher]

"To further clarify. He didn't own the property, it wasn't a commercial property, his truck was parked around the corner on the street, and lastly we were pissed at ourselves for taking this armed guy with us unknowingly. That won't happen again.
"

No kidding. Having a concealed weapon and no permit, standing alongside LEO, is NOT a good thing for the LEO on site.