CCW hogwash

[NSP]

Wow, the world is full of mis-information. I had a conversation with some people who thought it best not to CCW for some of these reasons:

*If you jump through all the hoops, pay the fees, and take all the time out of your personal life to do so then if you ever have to use your CCW it would weigh heavily against you that you are a gun nut because you were willing to go to such lengths to carry a weapon.

*If you carry every day it could also be proven in court that you are a gun whack job. It's best to only put your firearm on when you expect trouble.

*If you have a permit and carry a police officer can at any time confiscate your weapon if he needs it. Like in the old cop movies when he jumps in a car flashes his badge and comendeers the car.

*It's best to CCW without a permit because:
1. Anyplace you'd need it to play hero, like a mall, school, etc, already don't allow CCW weapons anyhow.
2. If you are supposed to carry in a way that nobody knows you're carrying then why go through all the hassle and pay for the permmit?
3. Saves money.




Of course they said many other reasons I've heard before, "adding more guns to a situation only increases the body counts", "you are more likely to injure yourself", etc. However these were new to me.

[Bombard]

Originally Posted by NSP

Wow, the world is full of mis-information. I had a conversation with some people who thought it best not to CCW for some of these reasons:

*If you jump through all the hoops, pay the fees, and take all the time out of your personal life to do so then if you ever have to use your CCW it would weigh heavily against you that you are a gun nut because you were willing to go to such lengths to carry a weapon.

*If you carry every day it could also be proven in court that you are a gun whack job. It's best to only put your firearm on when you expect trouble.

*If you have a permit and carry a police officer can at any time confiscate your weapon if he needs it. Like in the old cop movies when he jumps in a car flashes his badge and comendeers the car.

*It's best to CCW without a permit because:
1. Anyplace you'd need it to play hero, like a mall, school, etc, already don't allow CCW weapons anyhow.
2. If you are supposed to carry in a way that nobody knows you're carrying then why go through all the hassle and pay for the permmit?
3. Saves money.




Of course they said many other reasons I've heard before, "adding more guns to a situation only increases the body counts", "you are more likely to injure yourself", etc. However these were new to me.

The world is full of incredibly stupid people.

[NSP]

I just realized this is in the wrong section...

[Bonecutter]

Originally Posted by NSP

Wow, the world is full of mis-information.

I work in a gun store.....

You want to hear dumb people.....?????

[rickr96]

An Atty may say "He's a gun nut, out looking for trouble, and my clients son would be alive today had he not been carrying a gun..."

Your Atty will counter, "My client was in fear for his life, used the weapon only as a last resort, and used it the way he had been trained to use it. The only reason he's alive today, thank God, is because he was carrying a gun..."

Then a jury will decide who they believe...

Atty's will argue what ever point serve their clients best... that is the risk we take when we decide to CCW...

For me, the risk is worrh it...

(Oh, a large liability insurance policy helps to limit the risk too...)

[RomanDad]

Originally Posted by NSP

Wow, the world is full of mis-information. I had a conversation with some people who thought it best not to CCW for some of these reasons:

*If you jump through all the hoops, pay the fees, and take all the time out of your personal life to do so then if you ever have to use your CCW it would weigh heavily against you that you are a gun nut because you were willing to go to such lengths to carry a weapon.

Recommended response: "You know.... YOURE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!! It would be much better if I was DEAD!"

*If you carry every day it could also be proven in court that you are a gun whack job. It's best to only put your firearm on when you expect trouble.

Recommended response: "It must be nice to have the bad people in your life make reservations..."

*If you have a permit and carry a police officer can at any time confiscate your weapon if he needs it. Like in the old cop movies when he jumps in a car flashes his badge and comendeers the car.

Recommended response: "Yeah, thats a real problem.... In the _______ Years Ive been driving you know how many times I've had my car commandeered? NONE! What world do you live in, and does Elvis live there too???"

*It's best to CCW without a permit because:

1. Anyplace you'd need it to play hero, like a mall, school, etc, already don't allow CCW weapons anyhow.

"I don't want to "play hero"... In fact, if you and I are out somewhere and there is a mass shooting, I will be using my gun to defend my life only.... You're on your own. (And, P.S. my CCW is valid in all those places)."

2. If you are supposed to carry in a way that nobody knows you're carrying then why go through all the hassle and pay for the permmit?

"Ummmm, Because I'm not a criminal?"

3. Saves money.

"Not if you get caught..."

Of course they said many other reasons I've heard before, "adding more guns to a situation only increases the body counts", "you are more likely to injure yourself", etc. However these were new to me.

[RomanDad]

Originally Posted by NSP

Wow, the world is full of mis-information. I had a conversation with some people who thought it best not to CCW for some of these reasons:

*If you jump through all the hoops, pay the fees, and take all the time out of your personal life to do so then if you ever have to use your CCW it would weigh heavily against you that you are a gun nut because you were willing to go to such lengths to carry a weapon.

*If you carry every day it could also be proven in court that you are a gun whack job. It's best to only put your firearm on when you expect trouble.

*If you have a permit and carry a police officer can at any time confiscate your weapon if he needs it. Like in the old cop movies when he jumps in a car flashes his badge and comendeers the car.

*It's best to CCW without a permit because:
1. Anyplace you'd need it to play hero, like a mall, school, etc, already don't allow CCW weapons anyhow.
2. If you are supposed to carry in a way that nobody knows you're carrying then why go through all the hassle and pay for the permmit?
3. Saves money.




Of course they said many other reasons I've heard before, "adding more guns to a situation only increases the body counts", "you are more likely to injure yourself", etc. However these were new to me.

How old are the people making these comments???? Because they sound like things I would expect to hear from a 16 or 17 year old kid. They're poorly reasoned, belay a serious lack of LIFE EXPERIENCE and instead refer to pop culture anecdotes as evidence, and show just a general lack of logic.

I recommend you stop talking to these people.... They can only make you dumber.

[45 ACP]

Originally Posted by RomanDad

I recommend you stop talking to these people.... They can only make you dumber.

Despite what I do for a living, I already feel dumber for reading the OP.

No offense intended NSP.

I would definitely follow RD's advice about not conversing with morons. It's better to be paid to do so!

[NSP]

Originally Posted by RomanDad

How old are the people making these comments???? Because they sound like things I would expect to hear from a 16 or 17 year old kid. They're poorly reasoned, belay a serious lack of LIFE EXPERIENCE and instead refer to pop culture anecdotes as evidence, and show just a general lack of logic.

I recommend you stop talking to these people.... They can only make you dumber.

Sadly the one making the majority of the misinformed comments is a 35 year old guy. The one about police officers comendeering was a 26 year old guy.

I informed the "comendeering" guy that LEOs do not carry around lists of "whos carrying" in their vicinity. Being it is a CONCEALED carry permit they wouldn't know you have a gun anyhow. And that's just aside from an officer putting his life on the line with a weapon he doesn't know the reliability of.

[NSP]

Originally Posted by 45 ACP

Despite what I do for a living, I already feel dumber for reading the OP.

No offense intended NSP.

I would definitely follow RD's advice about not conversing with morons. It's better to be paid to do so!

No offense taken. But it's a good exercise in some of the spun information out there.

[Quietpi]

Wow. Unfortunately, "how to think" was dropped from school curricula decades ago. Most of us had to learn it on our own. But many (very likely most in California) have not. Age, sadly, does not always impart wisdom.

If a cop finds himself needing a weapon, and knows I have one, heck, he's welcome to it. But of the cops I know, they're much more likely to say, "Hey, I'm out of ammo. See what you can do!"

[Bombard]

Originally Posted by Quietpi

If a cop finds himself needing a weapon, and knows I have one, heck, he's welcome to it. "

You're only carrying one?

[Gry101]

Man, I would happily hand over a weapon to an officer in need. I have at least one more on me Of course, every cop I know carries two themselves anyway.

Andrew

[Quietpi]

Originally Posted by Bombard

You're only carrying one?

[mcholak]

Wow, every time I think I've heard it all someone recounts another bout with stupidity. Wouldn't any of us who see a cop in a gun fight, assuming we're in the vicinity draw our weapons anyway? If shots are being fired, and I'm close enough to draw on the bad guy I'm thinking that I'll be drawing my weapon as I may be the guys next target.

God willing I'll never have to find out how I'd react in that situation.