Local PD Contact While CCW

[CCW-G30]

I was at a city-sponsored carnival tonight with the family. I was carrying my G30 in an AIWB holster with an untucked shirt over it. As we approached the main carnival entrance I noticed the signs "All entrants are subject to search" I then noticed two security officers wanding the male would-be carnival goers. I immediately tell my spouse to wait with the kids and I approached one of the private security officers. I discretely show him my permit and explain what it means. He asks if I am armed and I reply "yes". He says that he needs to call a supervisor. The supervisor responds and briefly talks with officer #1. Officer #1 tells me that he is having local PD respond to handle. Two uniformed LEO's arrive from inside the carnival grounds. They greet me and I hand the female officer my permit and CDL. She looks at the permit like it was written in Arabic. She asks me if I am armed to which I reply, "Yes". Her male partner looks over the permit and appears equally confused. He asks me if I am a local business owner. I state "No", and give a brief reason behind my permit issuance. They both seemed satisfied, hand back my info and tell me to enjoy the festivities. I return to my family and we purchase our admission tickets. When I approach the security officer who is conducting the searches, the security supervisor steps in and waves us through, unsearched. My wife later told me that she saw the LEO's staring at my waist as I walked away from them, trying to make me. I'm positive they weren't able to. We had an enjoyable evening and went home.

During my discussion with the local PD, I referenced the acronym LEO and was asked what is an LEO. I clarified Law Enforcement Officer. Seems like that isn't a common phrase around these parts, I guess.

It's a darn shame that the local beat cops haven't been exposed to CCW in this state and realize that law abiding private citizens can carry concealed and what a CCW permit looks like. I wasn't at all treated badly, just like some sort of anomaly.

[Bombard]

Originally Posted by CCW-G30

It's a darn shame that the local beat cops haven't been exposed to CCW in this state and realize that law abiding private citizens can carry concealed and what a CCW permit looks like. I wasn't at all treated badly, just like some sort of anomaly.

It is a shame, and it's not at all their fault. Even in a reasonable county like SB or Orange, only about 1 out of 1000 people have CCWs, and it's not the fraction that LEOs come into contact with. Many will go through their entire careers never having seen a permit.

It's enough to make me want to do a public outreach/education effort aimed toward uniformed law enforcement.

[RomanDad]

Originally Posted by Bombard

It is a shame, and it's not at all their fault. Even in a reasonable county like SB or Orange, only about 1 out of 1000 people have CCWs, and it's not the fraction that LEOs come into contact with. Many will go through their entire careers never having seen a permit.

It's enough to make me want to do a public outreach/education effort aimed toward uniformed law enforcement.

No... The problem is the silly looking permits. Nobody believes theyre the real deal... Its about time the DOJ updates the form so that its a CARD rather than an origami project. It should have the Seal of the state of California and a hologram and a color photo... I think we can live without the fingerprint. (what purpose does that serve????)

[Bombard]

I absolutely agree. You could get a more authentic looking permit for $20 at MacArthur Park.

[MadMex]

Originally Posted by RomanDad

No... The problem is the silly looking permits. Nobody believes theyre the real deal... Its about time the DOJ updates the form so that its a CARD rather than an origami project. It should have the Seal of the state of California and a hologram and a color photo... I think we can live without the fingerprint. (what purpose does that serve????)

+1

Believe it or not I used to live in a state that put the CCW designation on your driver’s license. The only way around it was to obtain a non-driver’s license State ID card at the DMV and request that the designation be placed on it instead. Otherwise, you were made every time somebody requested your ID (for example when making a credit card purchase at the local Lowe’s).

CCW-G30
Glad everything worked out.

[YankeeDog]

I absolutely agree. You could get a more authentic looking permit for $20 at MacArthur Park.

LMFAO
YD

[maldos]

Originally Posted by Bombard

I absolutely agree. You could get a more authentic looking permit for $20 at MacArthur Park.

Yes but it would be in Spanish.

[SierraNevadaCCW]

Reason the nice ID hasn't been implemented: Money.
Reason number 2: Inept Bureaucracy

[Mike6br]

Well all in all everything worked out fine, you handled the situation fine and so did the two LEO.
However I was in LE back in the 60 and 70s (Deputy Sheriff) and we were never trained in what a CCW was, nor were we even shown one, plus in 7 years I never saw one, maybe they didn't have them then for all I knew.
And the anachronizm "LEO" is almost as new as the computer, so unless they spend some time on a forum like this one, they may not know what LEO means, but that's hard to believe.
Plus some departments use a lot of Reserve Officers for public affairs and events, carnivals, parades Etc, it saves the city/county money. And they may not have the experience of a regular.
That said, and looking at things today, Im surprised that more LEOs aren't familiar with the Rice Paper state form, and upon inspecting it, and looking you and it over, they should have all the respect for you, that you are showing them.
The LEOs have no better friend on the streets than a CCW carrying citizen. And I say that knowing what you have to go through to become both, an LEO, and to receive a CCW permit.
As far as background and character is concerned, there the same, so you CCWs should be treated with the same respect as an LEO, unless you show them different.
I know that LE has a tough and dangerous job out there today, and most are vary good at it, but they do also have friends on the streets, and should know who they are. JMO
Mike.

[PHM]

Originally Posted by CCW-G30

I was at a city-sponsored carnival tonight with the family. I was carrying my G30 in an AIWB holster with an untucked shirt over it. As we approached the main carnival entrance I noticed the signs "All entrants are subject to search" I then noticed two security officers wanding the male would-be carnival goers. I immediately tell my spouse to wait with the kids and I approached one of the private security officers. I discretely show him my permit and explain what it means. He asks if I am armed and I reply "yes". He says that he needs to call a supervisor. The supervisor responds and briefly talks with officer #1. Officer #1 tells me that he is having local PD respond to handle. Two uniformed LEO's arrive from inside the carnival grounds. They greet me and I hand the female officer my permit and CDL. She looks at the permit like it was written in Arabic. She asks me if I am armed to which I reply, "Yes". Her male partner looks over the permit and appears equally confused. He asks me if I am a local business owner. I state "No", and give a brief reason behind my permit issuance. They both seemed satisfied, hand back my info and tell me to enjoy the festivities. I return to my family and we purchase our admission tickets. When I approach the security officer who is conducting the searches, the security supervisor steps in and waves us through, unsearched. My wife later told me that she saw the LEO's staring at my waist as I walked away from them, trying to make me. I'm positive they weren't able to. We had an enjoyable evening and went home.

During my discussion with the local PD, I referenced the acronym LEO and was asked what is an LEO. I clarified Law Enforcement Officer. Seems like that isn't a common phrase around these parts, I guess.

It's a darn shame that the local beat cops haven't been exposed to CCW in this state and realize that law abiding private citizens can carry concealed and what a CCW permit looks like. I wasn't at all treated badly, just like some sort of anomaly.

If you were in San Bernardino County that is the reason you were not hassled, this county is very pro CCW. If you were in LA county I can assure you that you would have had a much more confrontational interview with the LEO.

[Gladiator]

Originally Posted by CCW-G30

I was at a city-sponsored carnival tonight with the family. I was carrying my G30 in an AIWB holster with an untucked shirt over it. As we approached the main carnival entrance I noticed the signs "All entrants are subject to search" I then noticed two security officers wanding the male would-be carnival goers. I immediately tell my spouse to wait with the kids and I approached one of the private security officers. I discretely show him my permit and explain what it means. He asks if I am armed and I reply "yes". He says that he needs to call a supervisor.

I'm very curious as to why you decide to post this with another ID that has no history with the members over here. Care to explain?

Local PD Contact While CCW

[CCW-G30]

Originally Posted by Gladiator

I'm very curious as to why you decide to post this with another ID that has no history with the members over here. Care to explain?

Local PD Contact While CCW

Gladiator, I'll ignore the tinge of suspicion in your comment. I'm not sure what "explanation" you are looking for nor why I need to explain my post but I will since you called it into question. I've had my account at californiaccw.org for about a year and a half now. Along with the now defunct packing.org it was and still is a valuable resource for anyone contemplating pursuing a CCW in this state. I came to this site much later and followed many active threads before committing to setting up an account. I chose to use a shorter user ID for here then what I established at californiaccw.org. So there you have it. You've revealed my darkest secret before the members here and the rest of the world. I actually belong to two or more internet forums. Good job. What's your next assignment, finding out who was the second shooter on the grassy knoll? Any curiosity you had could have been resolved through a PM to me instead of questioning the veracity of my post in public.

[MadMex]

Cyber stalker?

[Bombard]

Not at all.

We get trolled a couple of times a week. We're not popular - both with the folks that want reduced gun ownership over all AND those that want to be confrontational and Fight the Power.

Gladiator is our Sergeant at Arms. He keeps his eyes open for trolls, and reminds us what our mission is when we get too comfortable. His troll-dar is pinned at the highest possible setting.

Being suspicious is his job and - sadly - he's right more often than he's wrong.

It sounds like you're for real. Welcome!

[NikNak]

Regarding the "thread patrol", I say well done. We must keep things current and relevent to prevent the antis from any extra ammo ....

I also approve of the way the contact was handled ... good story, just no need to repeat too many times.