Breaking Barriers

[YankeeDog]

Yellowfin, would be wise choice to listen to CCWI

Amen!
YD

[RomanDad]

Yellowfin.... I love your enthusiasm... I respect your service... You are the future of the CCW reform movement.

But right now, and I mean this with the utmost respect, its time to STFU and listen...

I was banging on the Pro CCW movement, in a fairly significant, manner when you were watching power rangers. Unlike many of the others who got in on the ground floor of this movement in California, I'm an attorney, a rather useful thing to be in the matter of LAWS (although, admittedly, I was just a dumb college student when I began), who has devoted hundreds if not thousands of hours of his time to the effort, I have done so without a website that says what a hotshot I am, and without taking a penny from others for my efforts. And unlike some, I have not sought fame or pats on the back or any other type of adulation, in fact, you'll be hard pressed to even learn my name, because the people who know it know that I value my privacy and anonymity. But suffice it to say, NOBODY knows the value of self defense more than I.

I say this because after nearly twenty years on the subject, I've come to a few conclusions as to what's going to result in the best outcome FOR ALL Californians who want CCW reform, and respectfully, in my opinion, your approach is counterproductive. You've been here two days. From what I can tell, you're not even IN THE STATE YET? Sit back.... Relax.... READ... LEARN... And THEN, Once you know WTF you're doing and WTF you're talking about.... THEN, if you think we're wrong in our approach, THEN you can go off on your own with your own methods and become part of the solution... Until then, all your bull in a china shop methods do, is threaten the progress the rest of us have made.

[Dutchman]

"...I want both of them and my sister in law (who wasn't there at the time, so I don't know how much she knows but she's even farther off the deep end into liberalism by virtue of being a theater actress in NYC) to carry daily as I do because I love them as much as is evident that they love me. I can't say how quickly that will come about as they're very set in their ways but I can say that they're a lot farther along now than they were had it not been that I brought it to them."

I'm no lawyer, so I won't even go into your methodology in trying to change California CCW laws. I do have several liberal relatives and can tell you that proselytizing to an anti second amendment type doesn't usually do much but make him think of you as a "gun nut". The only two anti second amendment liberals I've seen "converted" if you will (I hate that term for this subject) is my wife and my cousin. Neither of whom had their minds changed by my doing.

For my wife, it took an attempted break in where the police response time was more than 20 minutes. Luckily, I was able to help the would be assailant make an informed decision to leave without bloodshed. With my cousin, it took a mugging...she lives in San Fransisco so legal ccw is out of the question.

Both my wife and cousin approached me to learn how to shoot, specifically because I was not pushy about firearms (politics yes, I'm pushy) but they know I can shoot. I sprung for both of them to take the hunter safety course and a lesson with an NRA instructor (won't try to teach my wife anything after a near divorce experience teaching her to ski).

You may want to ease up on the enthusiasm when dealing with your liberal relatives. I'd particularly refrain from using phrases like referring to them as "sheep". I think the phrase I understand is on the Az permit "Courteous Vigilance" is one of the best phrases I've heard for ccw or would be ccw holders. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong on the Az ccw phrase)

[bdam1]

Yellow Fin...Welcome. Appreciate your service and enthusium. I enjoyed your sharing of your recent family experience.
I'm kind of a new poster here as well, although i've been a lurker for quite a while.
What I can tell you from my experience and personally meeting several of the forum members is this. Our respect for each others choices and opinions is vast on a personal level, but the forum itself is tightly focused. It is providing the knowledge, information and thoughtful guidance to pursue CCW's in the State of California within the means of the laws, as they stand.
I'm originally from "back East" and carried a CCW for many years. Trying to get my arms around the West Coast version has been difficult because my mind was set to the thinking of my regional upbringing.
Here in California, CCW holders are looked at with a much more jaundiced eye, so we carry that responsibiltiy much more somberly. So we work within the system and make our small steps forward and leave the "kick in the pants" approaches to other forums dedicated to that end.

Again, welcome

[Verne]

you sure are a welcoming bunch.

[bdam1]

Originally Posted by Verne

you sure are a welcoming bunch.

Well, yes...actually we are. As I mentioned, this forum is tightly focused on CCW information and knowledge, not policital advocacy. All are welcome to play in our sandbox....don't like the rules, take your sand and go home.

[NSP]

Originally Posted by bdam1

Well, yes...actually we are. As I mentioned, this forum is tightly focused on CCW information and knowledge, not policital advocacy. All are welcome to play in our sandbox....don't like the rules, take your sand and go home.

Well.... your statement conflicts with a recent statement by a founding member:

Originally Posted by OCRancher

You still have time!!!!

OC residents, if you have not voted, for what ever reason, go now and vote AGAINST the BOS person in your district that voted against Jack Anderson. In my case, Bill Campbell, who I would have voted for, just lost my vote when I go to vote soon. (Vote Donald Ritze if you are Bill's district) BOS elections are won by margins sometimes as small as 10 votes. 50 CCW holder votes against the Benedict Arnold incumbents in each district might send 4 of the 5 home. That was/is the whole idea of this website; to promote and further the cause in local elections that are sometimes won by incredibly small margins!!!!!!!!

Same goes for the other districts.

I think the rub is that yellowfin is using his weapon for political purposes and is a little too "in your face" about it. That's the feeling I got from his posts. The sheriff's department gave me a permit so that I may discreetly carry a weapon in case I need it. They did not give me a permit to be used as a soapbox. I really enjoyed his first post though, very well handled.

my .02

[bdam1]

NSP....I guess my tone came off poorly in response to the "welcoming" sarcasm. I was try to note that the forum members generally try to provide knowledge, experience, etc to obtain CCW's. As I previously stated:

"Our respect for each others choices and opinions is vast on a personal level, but the forum itself is tightly focused. It is providing the knowledge, information and thoughtful guidance to pursue CCW's in the State of California within the means of the laws, as they stand."

Our mindset is not generally geared as a CCW political forum.


However, you know as well as I, that actions resuting in the loss of a CCW, get alot of emotion here. In OC Ranchers plea, I think he was promoting that by not excersizing our voting responsibility, the direct result would be appointment of a OC Sheriff that was clearly anti-CCW, hence bye-bye CCW

If I came off as advocating a double-standard, my apologies....the line is sometimes thin.

[hbliam]

Originally Posted by bdam1

All are welcome to play in our sandbox....don't like the rules, take your sand and go home.

Originally Posted by bdam1

"Our respect for each others choices and opinions is vast on a personal level, but the forum itself is tightly focused. It is providing the knowledge, information and thoughtful guidance to pursue CCW's in the State of California within the means of the laws, as they stand."

Our mindset is not generally geared as a CCW political forum.

When the topic of "what this forum is for" or "take your sand and go home" comes up, I pretty much don't listen to anyone that doesn't have "Founding Member" under their user ID.

While you may or may not be correct, I'd leave it for the site admins to tell people where to go and what to do with their sand.

[RomanDad]

Originally Posted by NSP

Well.... your statement conflicts with a recent statement by a founding member:



I think the rub is that yellowfin is using his weapon for political purposes and is a little too "in your face" about it. That's the feeling I got from his posts. The sheriff's department gave me a permit so that I may discreetly carry a weapon in case I need it. They did not give me a permit to be used as a soapbox. I really enjoyed his first post though, very well handled.

my .02

That post was endorsed and supported by the entire founding membership, and the sites management. It was written in response to the POLITICAL actions of the Orange County Board of Supervisors which may effect the CCWs of everybody in the largest CCW issuing county in the state.

[GunSlut]

Originally Posted by RomanDad

That post was endorsed and supported by the entire founding membership, and the sites management. It was written in response to the POLITICAL actions of the Orange County Board of Supervisors which may effect the CCWs of everybody in the largest CCW issuing county in the state.

From Staff: "+1"

[bdam1]

Originally Posted by hbliam

When the topic of "what this forum is for" or "take your sand and go home" comes up, I pretty much don't listen to anyone that doesn't have "Founding Member" under their user ID.

While you may or may not be correct, I'd leave it for the site admins to tell people where to go and what to do with their sand.

HB...I wasn't try to promote that, somehow, I was the arbitrator of such things. My secondary post, I believe, addresses my recognition of possibly exceeding my position.