Incident in OC

[akulahawk]

There is some information missing/needed before I would/could decide for myself whether or not the OP's actions were a good example of what to do or not to do.

Overall, I think that this thread is being pretty civil. If we all keep it that way, perhaps we can all learn a good lesson (whichever one it is) from the OP.

[CalCCW03]

Originally Posted by akulahawk

There is some information missing/needed before I would/could decide for myself whether or not the OP's actions were a good example of what to do or not to do.

Overall, I think that this thread is being pretty civil. If we all keep it that way, perhaps we can all learn a good lesson (whichever one it is) from the OP.

Exactly why I'm keeping it open

[johnadams]

Originally Posted by hbliam

#1 You would have to prove the intent of the other guy to harm or kill you. "He treid to paly chicken" probably won't fly as it's his word against yours. Also, your perceived threat turned out to be baseless.
#2 You would have to prove that driving on the wrong side of the road (which had the potential to kill someone) was greater then the threat of you being followed. The "playing chicken' part sounds odd, as per the "suspect" he was trying to keep you in his sites not contact you.
#3 See #1
#4 Did he force you to drive on the wrong side of the road? Or did you choose to?

You were both guilty of 23103(a)CVC.

We could argue about this all day. Bottom line, I didn't get cited. I would also do it 100 more times IF the situation warranted it. I was avoiding confrontation, and that's my justification. At the time, I felt my life was in danger. I may be more prone to danger than the regular person, but I'm not going to post my GC here.

Originally Posted by hbliam

Back to your first post.

What do you do? What were you doing in his lot? What type of business's are in that lot? What time is it? What kind of a car do you drive? Are the windows blacked out? What kind of car did he drive? Have you been in that lot before this happened?

The whole story should come out before people start throwing attaboys out there.

1. I won't tell.
2. I was sitting in my car, reading a newspaper.
3. There are no open businesses in the lot, it's a parking lot for a bunch of shut down businesses.
4. 3pm
5. I won't go into details about my car, but as I said before: "well-kept newer vehicle built in the last few years, not some beat up piece of junk"
6. Factory rear tint, clear front windshield and clear drivers and passenger front windows
7. "well-kept newer vehicle built in the last few years, not some beat up piece of junk"
8. My first time in that lot ever. Once I arrived, I notified police. Was there for a few hours with no problems.

I'm not really even sure that guy was the property manager, as he told police. I tried to research it, but couldn't confirm or deny. It could have been an outside vigilante for all I know.

In the end, both he and I were doing our jobs. Unfortunately, I think he took detaining a moving vehicle a little far, but that's his problem. Next time he does that and he's chasing down a criminal, I don't believe that a criminal would hesitate to harm him.

[hbliam]

Originally Posted by johnadams

We could argue about this all day. Bottom line, I didn't get cited.

That doesn't mean you didn't commit the violation. It means you didn't get cited. Two different things.

Regardless of what you were doing (which is easy to guess), a simple conversation with the guy may have been a better course of action. I hope others reading this thread don't file this one with the other great "incident" examples. Endangering others with a jason bourne inspired car chase is just not the right way to handle things.

[newshooterinca]

Wow, scary stuff.

I personally am no fan of lawyers and lawsuits, but I'd at least talk with a lawyer about the possibility of a civil suit against this guy.

He sounds like a loose cannon and probably needs to learn a lesson in court or he might do this to someone else. Donate the judgment to charity if you don't believe in suing for monetary gain (my personal belief system), but either way, shut this guy down. Let him learn that his actions have consequences.

[johnadams]

Originally Posted by hbliam

That doesn't mean you didn't commit the violation. It means you didn't get cited. Two different things.

Regardless of what you were doing (which is easy to guess), a simple conversation with the guy may have been a better course of action. I hope others reading this thread don't file this one with the other great "incident" examples. Endangering others with a jason bourne inspired car chase is just not the right way to handle things.

I would have been happy to roll down my window for anyone who walks up to my vehicle in that parking lot. I've done it many times.

Unfortunately, the first I saw of the suspect, he was a few feet behind my car following me while I was doing my job. When I made a few regular-speed turns to see if he was really following me, that's when he started to get agressive. He blocked me in. He tried to crash into me. Getting out of my car would have been a bad idea. Rolling down the window after his actions would have made me a sitting target for someone wanting to do harm.

I've had a few people walk up and ask why I'm parked somewhere. I don't mind telling them and having a civil conversation. I'll even find another spot if they don't feel comfortable with me there. Unfortunately, this guy took it to a seriously dangerous level.

[SierraNevadaCCW]

There was something like this in Reno a few years back. The "victim" drove to Reno PD and the suspect followed him. He walked into the station and told them he was being followed. The suspect walked in behind him, intoxicated and hostile. He was arrested.

[hbliam]

Originally Posted by SierraNevadaCCW

There was something like this in Reno a few years back. The "victim" drove to Reno PD and the suspect followed him. He walked into the station and told them he was being followed. The suspect walked in behind him, intoxicated and hostile. He was arrested.

I was working last month and saw the same type of thing happening. The "victim" went to jail. The "suspect" went home. Typical road rage BS, just don't do it when you have warrants.

[OCRancher]

Originally Posted by johnadams

I would have been happy to roll down my window for anyone who walks up to my vehicle in that parking lot. I've done it many times.

Unfortunately, the first I saw of the suspect, he was a few feet behind my car following me while I was doing my job. When I made a few regular-speed turns to see if he was really following me, that's when he started to get agressive. He blocked me in. He tried to crash into me. Getting out of my car would have been a bad idea. Rolling down the window after his actions would have made me a sitting target for someone wanting to do harm.

I've had a few people walk up and ask why I'm parked somewhere. I don't mind telling them and having a civil conversation. I'll even find another spot if they don't feel comfortable with me there. Unfortunately, this guy took it to a seriously dangerous level.

subrosa.

[JandJDude]

Originally Posted by hbliam

That doesn't mean you didn't commit the violation. It means you didn't get cited. Two different things.

Regardless of what you were doing (which is easy to guess), a simple conversation with the guy may have been a better course of action. I hope others reading this thread don't file this one with the other great "incident" examples. Endangering others with a jason bourne inspired car chase is just not the right way to handle things.

Pretty much what I got out of it too. This is a good example of what NOT to do.

[jbolton]

You should have let him hit you then file a suit agaist him.. Following someone untill the police arrive is one thing. (If there were wrong doing). But the Idiot acted as if he were some kind of lune. What an Idiot.

[johnadams]

Originally Posted by JandJDude

Pretty much what I got out of it too. This is a good example of what NOT to do.

I have already responded to this... I couldn't just have a simple conversation with the guy. At the time, I didn't know why he was coming after me. If he really intended to do harm, I would have got rolled down the window and been a sitting duck. I could have also got out of the car and had my legs pinned between my car and his. BAD IDEA.

[johnadams]

Originally Posted by jbolton

You should have let him hit you then file a suit agaist him.. Following someone untill the police arrive is one thing. (If there were wrong doing). But the Idiot acted as if he were some kind of lune. What an Idiot.

Thanks for the support. I'm getting very little here, with most saying I should have had a conversation with the guy. Next time, I'll only post the first half of the story, and you guys can guess why he was coming after me. Then, I'll follow up with the reason. You weren't there, I was doing my job on someone else, and this person came out of nowhere and came after me.

Having a conversation with this guy as he's trying to crash into my car and block me in is a bad idea. It's an invitation to get your legs crushed or get shot by someone with bad intentions.

And as for this guy's stupidity... he could have been chasing an undercover cop or a criminal, for all he knew. Lucky I'm just a citizen, otherwise the cop or criminal would have shot him.

[DVSmith]

Originally Posted by JandJDude

Pretty much what I got out of it too. This is a good example of what NOT to do.

I am afraid I have to agree. If the incident even really occurred as described, the description given includes several examples of operating a vehicle in a reckless and dangerous manner. Driving directly to a PD seems far more appropriate.

Sorry, no attaboys from me on this one.

[JandJDude]

Originally Posted by johnadams

Thanks for the support. I'm getting very little here, with most saying I should have had a conversation with the guy. Next time, I'll only post the first half of the story, and you guys can guess why he was coming after me. Then, I'll follow up with the reason. You weren't there, I was doing my job on someone else, and this person came out of nowhere and came after me.

Having a conversation with this guy as he's trying to crash into my car and block me in is a bad idea. It's an invitation to get your legs crushed or get shot by someone with bad intentions.

And as for this guy's stupidity... he could have been chasing an undercover cop or a criminal, for all he knew. Lucky I'm just a citizen, otherwise the cop or criminal would have shot him.

I don't anyone here is saying you didn't have a reason to be concerned. Since you're not going to tell us what you're occupation is, it makes it a little bit harder to understand your frame of mind at the time, but suffice to say you felt threatened. Obviously you're not going to get out and make yourself even more vulnerable.

What most people seem to be saying is that the way you reacted to that threat (specifically leading this guy around town/ wrong side of the road stuff) was not the right way to handle it.