First law enforcement contact today

[hygyliac]

Originally Posted by johnadams

I had this sitting on my lap:

You had the big guy sitting on your lap . . . ??

[Dan M.]

Originally Posted by Rodsteal

Dude, I hope thats your girlfriends dog.

I hope his wife doesn't find out about his girlfriend.

BTT, I think dogs are supposed to be restrained in vehicles, even if they're in the back seat. YMMV.

[The Black Knight]

Originally Posted by 848FPS

Friends let's try to keep this on topic.

Second warning. Guys, please don't make us take action on this.

[Spicy McHaggis]

Originally Posted by johnadams

So two deputies are on a traffic stop. I'm in a neighboring parking lot, waiting for the car in front of me to move so I can find a spot.

One breaks off from backing up the other deputy and walks over to my car's passenger side open window and says...

"you can't"... xxxx ..."while driving" (some small infraction)

...then turned away. I corrected the violation and aplogized. The deputy turned back and took about 30 seconds to further explain why it's important not to xxxx while driving. It all went by so quick. She walked away, and then I realized, I hadn't told her about my CCW. I think I made the right choice. In my opinion that wasn't really an "official" contact. In fact, she hardly even let me talk.

So, would you have notified the deputy that you had a CCW in a similar situation? (For those unfamiliar or outside Orange County, we are mandated to notify law enforcement upon an official contact that we have a CCW)

Where in the terms of the license does it say "official contact"? It says "...any contact...". You had about 30 seconds to tell her and should have.

[EM2]

I am glad I am in a county where LEO notification is not mandatory.
If as described this deputy stopped what she was doing at a traffic stop and walked all the way across the street to tell him not to have a dog on his lap and did not give him a chance to speak, it sounds as if someone was having a bad day.
I do not think that if I believed this "encounter" was going no further that I would have informed her either.

[akulahawk]

This sounds like an official contact to me, but also that the LEO may have terminated that contact so quickly that notification might not have been possible. I wasn't there, so I don't really know how quickly this all transpired.

[johnadams]

Originally Posted by Spicy McHaggis

Where in the terms of the license does it say "official contact"? It says "...any contact...". You had about 30 seconds to tell her and should have.

You are correct. I must have read that elsewhere in the forum. Do a search for "official contact". The terms actually state: "If contacted by a police officer for any reason, license holder shall immediately announce that they are carrying a concealed weapon and has a license to do so."

In this situation, I didn't interrupt a deputy who was talking.

Before I could say anything else, the deputy was walking away. I think it's a good idea not to announce you're carrying to a deputy who has their back turned to you, walking away.

[Hoser]

Originally Posted by johnadams

You are correct. I must have read that elsewhere in the forum. Do a search for "official contact". The terms actually state: "If contacted by a police officer for any reason, license holder shall immediately announce that they are carrying a concealed weapon and has a license to do so."

In this situation, I didn't interrupt a deputy who was talking.

Before I could say anything else, the deputy was walking away. I think it's a good idea not to announce you're carrying to a deputy who has their back turned to you, walking away.

You handled it well.

[True Brit]

Originally Posted by johnadams

I had this sitting on my lap:

You did not have the chance to tell them because the encounter was so brief therefore, no harm and no foul.
My friend below wants to know..."Since when can't you eat hors d'oeuvres while driving?"

[IAmASensFan]

Originally Posted by Bombard

There's a law against it? I never would have guessed

Brittany and Paris never get told they can't XXXX.


But it's no wonder you didn't want to tell us what XXXX was...

[flyingm]

Originally Posted by johnadams

Before I could say anything else, the deputy was walking away. I think it's a good idea not to announce you're carrying to a deputy who has their back turned to you, walking away.

Yah that probably would not have been the most prudent action.

Sounds like you just didn't have a reasonable opportunity to inform. From your account I don't really see how you could have handled it any differently without causing major problems for all parties involved.

[X-ffdo]

Eh?....Conceal Dog Carry?

[Spicy McHaggis]

2). If contacted by a police officer for any reason, license holder shall immediately announce that they are carrying a concealed weapon and has a license to do so.

Going by the letter, you should have told her immediately. Again, the terms of the license for OC doesn't say "official contact" it says for "any reason". It also says you must announce "immediately".

I'm not really saying you did anything wrong here, because I probably would have done the same thing. Just trying to point out what the terms of the license states. People keep saying "official contact" when that is not what it says. But if you break this down even further you can also say that you should only announce when "contacted by a police officer", not when you contact them. And you can also say that you didn't need to tell her at all because she is a Deputy Sheriff and not a police officer. Yes, there is a difference.

Common sense will dictate what you will do - e.g., when it is safe to hand them your license, when you should or shouldn't tell them. I would only have done it at the point where she asked for my drivers license, because it is "safe" for her and me to reach in my pocket and get my license. Or if she asked the question "Are there any guns in the car", before I am able to show her my license.

[hbliam]

Originally Posted by Spicy McHaggis

And you can also say that you didn't need to tell her at all because she is a Deputy Sheriff and not a police officer. Yes, there is a difference.

Yeah, we aren't bus drivers.

Seriously,
Tell that to the the guy invalidating your CCW after you try that one.

[J.A.G.]

never mind...question answered...