To tell or not to tell ?

[AMS MIKE]

Originally Posted by NSP

I think the simplest answer is just to put your hands on your belt right next to your CCW shield and clear your throat a couple of times.

You are guarenteed 1 thing....free trip in the squad car

[NSP]

Can I turn the lights on?

[safe carry]

I just checked my letter from the UTAH Department of Public Safety.

"When a concealed firearm permit holder has a concealed firearm in his/her possession and is STOPPED by a police officer, the concealed firearm permit holder SHALL advise the police officer as soon as possible."

Bolding by me for emphasis.

Review and be sure of the rules in each state that you visit.

[JALLEN]

I recently had my first contact with police since receiving my permit. It was in connection with a residential burglary and auto theft. The house is unoccupied, the residents are on an extended trip out of the country and I am one of the trustees of the trust that owns the house and car(s).

My assistant discovered the burglary on his routine inspection visit. The perps had ransacked the house, found a set of car keys and stolen one of the cars. He called me, then called the cops who insisted on having me present on the scene, as trustee of the trust.

When I arrived, the officer was sitting in his car making notes, so I went up and introduced myself. Shortly into the conversation he said he would need "ID" from both of us. When I handed him my ID, I said, "I have a concealed weapons permit. Here it is. I understand from the training classes that you fellows like to know such things." He looked at me, asked, "Do you have it on you?" I said "Yes." He looked at the CCW briefly, handed it back and that was the end of it. I had the impression that he had never seen one before.

The car was recovered that afternoon, being driven by two of the punks who are still in the can, and probably will be for some time.

[THE Gimper]

Originally Posted by BonoVox

Not in my eyes. Again, I follow my county's policy that I signed off on when I received my CCW.

You are assuming there is a county where LE does NOT want you to notify.

Remember there is a HUGE difference from not requiring you to notify, to they absolutely do not want you to notify.

I'm not assuming anything. Crosley's post below shows that there are in fact, sheriffs who want you to keep your mouth shut unless you are specifically asked.

Originally Posted by Crosley

I asked my Sheriff and report here for you.

Sheriff said 'NO way, keep it to yourself unless asked". Also, was told that unless an LEO has a reason to throw me on the ground, they won't. Don't give them a reason, keep my CCW to myself!

Sheriff went on to tell me that if I go telling LEO's I have a gun without being asked, my permit could get yanked.

How's that for an answer? I suggest you ask your issuing authority and forget about asking questions like that on a web forum. Some of these people, although well intentioned, might get you hurt.

So, my point is that, by following the requirements of my issuing authority (and, of course I always do) I could end up causing more trouble for myself in some counties. If I inform the deputy in Crosley's county of my status (without being specifically asked), he might call that in to his department. Or he might just file a report, and the sheriff there is going to want to know why I'm advertising that. So, he might decide to call my issuing authority, and I could potentially be called in for a discussion.

If the sheriffs got together and came up with a uniform policy, it would make things a whole lot simpler for all of us.

[THE Gimper]

Originally Posted by THaves

I am in a car park near the Airport with the kids. Along side parks a couple of Deputies from OCSD. The kids love cop cars and start pointing, one of the Deputies comes over to the car and I wind down the back window, he talks to thekids ( they are two ) and hands them some Junior Sheriff badges, he then comes to the passanger seat window which I wind down and we chat for about 5 mins. I am armed.......do I say anything ?

Originally Posted by THaves

I was not armed as I was on my way to John Wayne with my boys. I just thought it was an interesting situation that would spark comment.

I agree with all those who say "tell" I see no down side to this.


I have been in the same situation as True Brit many times while walking my dog and have not said anything as contact has been a few seconds.

Tim, make up your mind. Your first post stated, and the premise underlying your question was, that you were armed. Now you say you weren't armed.

As I mentioned in one of my earlier posts, we've discussed this sort of thing previously at length. Are you just deliberately yanking our collective chain?

[CCWInstructor]

Originally Posted by The Gimper

Tim, make up your mind.
Are you just deliberately yanking our collective chain?

Probably.

[IAmASensFan]

Originally Posted by The Gimper

Tim, make up your mind. Your first post stated, and the premise underlying your question was, that you were armed. Now you say you weren't armed.

As I mentioned in one of my earlier posts, we've discussed this sort of thing previously at length. Are you just deliberately yanking our collective chain?

His second post obviously is pointing out the first is a hypothetical.

Thats how I took it, anyways

[sealbeach]

Originally Posted by NSP

I think the simplest answer is just to put your hands on your belt right next to your CCW shield and clear your throat a couple of times.

ROTFLMAO!!! classic!

[THaves]

Originally Posted by The Gimper

Tim, make up your mind. Your first post stated, and the premise underlying your question was, that you were armed. Now you say you weren't armed.

As I mentioned in one of my earlier posts, we've discussed this sort of thing previously at length. Are you just deliberately yanking our collective chain?

Not at all and my sincere apologies if you think that.

I am truley interested in the rules that we should follow for incidental contact, I have a number of examples and just used that one as it was the most recent.

Two other recent contacts include, waiting in line at starbucks a deputy behind me, I recognise him from a function I have attended and we strike up a conversation. The line is nearlly out of the door and by the time our lattes arrive I bet we chatted for ten minutes..I buy and sell gas stations the owners like it when LEO hang out there. Twice over the last month I have been intoduced to a LEO at a gas station by the owner and chatted with said officer for may be 2 or 3 mins.

I could go on to include functions, lunches etc that I attened where LEO personal are present or may even be at our table or sat next to us.

Those are the type of situations that I was seeking help on as I felt uncomfortable I was trying to be responsible I was not trying to pull your chain, once again I am sorry you thought that.

[NSP]

I hope I am not adding fuel to the fire but I have a honest question.

I'm part of a committee that puts on a dinner and auction every year. For the dinner we hire a local uniformed deputy for security. Some of us in the committee have ccw's, would it be prudent to inform the deputy of our individual CCW status?

[Spicy McHaggis]

Originally Posted by THaves

I am in a car park near the Airport with the kids. Along side parks a couple of Deputies from OCSD. The kids love cop cars and start pointing, one of the Deputies comes over to the car and I wind down the back window, he talks to thekids ( they are two ) and hands them some Junior Sheriff badges, he then comes to the passanger seat window which I wind down and we chat for about 5 mins. I am armed.......do I say anything ?

Simple answer for OC CCWs:

CCW Permit

2). If contacted by a police officer for any reason, license holder shall immediately announce that they are carrying a concealed weapon and has a license to do so.

Sheriff deputies are not police officers, so you don't have to show it to them at any time.

[1buba]

self - censored...

[thegratenate]

Originally Posted by NSP

I hope I am not adding fuel to the fire but I have a honest question.

I'm part of a committee that puts on a dinner and auction every year. For the dinner we hire a local uniformed deputy for security. Some of us in the committee have ccw's, would it be prudent to inform the deputy of our individual CCW status?

As no one else has stepped up to this one, I will take an educated guess, that should CYA.

The person(with a permit) who has the most contact with this deputy, should casually inform him of their own status, and that some others also have permits. Then if he states that he wants to verify permits, and take a head count so to speak, he can, and if he doesn't then it ends there.

Now that I have given my two cents, I would be interested in seeing how more knowledgeable people think this would best be handled.

[Lee F. Smith]

This is one of the problems of a may issue state that leaves it up to the local agency. It is why our permits will never be accepted in Nevada, no central database to access for verification or common regulations.

In rural northern California you might be considered odd if you informed every time you talk to LEO, in my particular case, I know all of the officers of the issuing agency. They all know I have a permit. Down south...well I just don't understand the numb nu... ..ehh, you must abide by the issuing agency rules. As such I would not inform if "I" was stopped down there, unless common sense dictated it. My issuing agency would not consider my behavior an issue and my permit would be safe.

THEORETICALLY SPEAKING...

It is my opinion and experience that if you are charged with this kind of violation it is the least of your problems. Sort of like being charged for resisting arrest after robbing the bank. Yes it will cost you money and time but not as much as the reason that you are being arrested for in the first place.

Being charged with not informing an officer that you have a permit would be after you have been discovered because of some other situation that forced you to reveal your weapon before informing the officer because common sense had dictated it. Concealed is concealed.

For instance >>> http://www.calccw.com/Forums/experie...tude-test.html

This thread is making my head hurt.