To tell or not to tell ?

[BonoVox]

Originally Posted by The Gimper

Because it can create difficulties when you travel. If you are in a county where the Sheriff doesn't want you to notify, but your Sheriff does want you to notify, you have a conflict.

Not in my eyes. Again, I follow my county's policy that I signed off on when I received my CCW.

You are assuming there is a county where LE does NOT want you to notify.

Remember there is a HUGE difference from not requiring you to notify, to they absolutely do not want you to notify.

[AMS MIKE]

Originally Posted by The Gimper

Because it can create difficulties when you travel. If you are in a county where the Sheriff doesn't want you to notify, but your Sheriff does want you to notify, you have a conflict.

Use the rules of the issuing county. In our case Orange County rules.

[BonoVox]

I guess the Sheriffs could get together. Won't really help me in my home city though.

[Hoser]

Originally Posted by AMS MIKE

Use the rules of the issuing county. In our case Orange County rules.

How's the CCW'er supposed to know the rules of each county? If someone from a county that doesn't require he adivise LE that he's carrying gets stopped in OC, he shouldn't have to be held accountable to OC rules.

Shall issue would be the answer.

[THaves]

I was not armed as I was on my way to John Wayne with my boys. I just thought it was an interesting situation that would spark comment.

I agree with all those who say "tell" I see no down side to this.


I have been in the same situation as True Brit many times while walking my dog and have not said anything as contact has been a few seconds.

[1buba]

Originally Posted by BonoVox

Not in my eyes. Again, I follow my county's policy that I signed off on when I received my CCW.

You are assuming there is a county where LE does NOT want you to notify.

Remember there is a HUGE difference from not requiring you to notify, to they absolutely do not want you to notify.

I don't want to come across as argumentative here, but I have to agree with Gimpy. EDC does not require that you show. Once I learned of the OC requirement, I asked a couple of deputies opinions. Both admitted it could create more problems than it is worth in most instances... One example was running a stop sign near my house (they know where I live). Both said the traffic stop would go much smoother if i didn't say anything UNLESS I was asked if I had any guns in the car. They both also thought that the requirement could be a good idea for up here, but neither thought it would happen - not sure why.

[BonoVox]

Originally Posted by 1buba

I don't want to come across as argumentative here, but I have to agree with Gimpy. EDC does not require that you show. Once I learned of the OC requirement, I asked a couple of deputies opinions. Both admitted it could create more problems than it is worth in most instances... One example was running a stop sign near my house (they know where I live). Both said the traffic stop would go much smoother if i didn't say anything UNLESS I was asked if I had any guns in the car. They both also thought that the requirement could be a good idea for up here, but neither thought it would happen - not sure why.

Ok we go with Gimper and make a state wide policy.

I wonder what the state is going to choose?

[Bombard]

Just to throw a hypothetical out there, 'cause they're so much fun...

Suppose you have permits from California and Utah and your CA is issued by Orange County. You have a duty to inform per your OC license. Utah doesn't require it, as far as I can tell.

You're traveling in Idaho, which recognizes both permits. Which permit are you carrying on?

IANASME but personally, I'd error on the side of caution and notify. In a case like this, where the officer is just talking with you and not expecting you to reach for your pocket, I'd tell him verbally first and ask if he would like to see it. I'd also avoid using the word "gun" while I do.

[Dan M.]

Originally Posted by Bombard

Just to throw a hypothetical out there, 'cause they're so much fun...

Suppose you have permits from California and Utah and your CA is issued by Orange County. You have a duty to inform per your OC license. Utah doesn't require it, as far as I can tell.

You're traveling in Idaho, which recognizes both permits. Which permit are you carrying on?

IANASME but personally, I'd error on the side of caution and notify. In a case like this, where the officer is just talking with you and not expecting you to reach for your pocket, I'd tell him verbally first and ask if he would like to see it. I'd also avoid using the word "gun" while I do.

IANASME either but I bet if you're in any state that accepts your home state as well as your out-of-state permit, you are officially there on your home state permit if it comes to some sort of enforcement issue regarding restrictions/requirements. In other words, you'd be in violation (with OCSD) for not telling the out-of-state LEO about your OC CA CCW.

[IAmASensFan]

Originally Posted by Dan M.

IANASME either but I bet if you're in any state that accepts your home state as well as your out-of-state permit, you are officially there on your home state permit if it comes to some sort of enforcement issue regarding restrictions/requirements. In other words, you'd be in violation (with OCSD) for not telling the out-of-state LEO about your OC CA CCW.

What???

Love ya like a bro, Dan, but thats just silly talk!!!

You don't have to have a CCW from your home state to have an out of state permit, so how can you be officially there on your home state permit???

I SAHANASME (Sure As Heck Am Not A SME) but...I would say that if Utah is the issuing state of your Utah license, and you were in Utah, then that would trump your California CCW. You don't have to have a CCW from your home state to have a Utah license, so there is no need to show it at all. It's likely they don't even CARE. They probably think you have Utah because you can't even get one in California.

And when you are outside the state lines of California, California has no jurisdiction to dictate whether you show your permit or not, unless its the one permit you are depending on to carry concealed...it's not issued so you can carry outside the state, it's issued to you so you can carry INSIDE the state. It just so happens that the surrounding states are kind enough to recognize that permit.

Why complicate the issue? California for California carry, Utah for everywhere else.

[Dan M.]

Originally Posted by IAmASensFan

What???

Love ya like a bro, Dan, but thats just silly talk!!!

You don't have to have a CCW from your home state to have an out of state permit, so how can you be officially there on your home state permit???

I SAHANASME (Sure As Heck Am Not A SME) but...I would say that if Utah is the issuing state of your Utah license, and you were in Utah, then that would trump your California CCW. You don't have to have a CCW from your home state to have a Utah license, so there is no need to show it at all. It's likely they don't even CARE. They probably think you have Utah because you can't even get one in California.

And when you are outside the state lines of California, California has no jurisdiction to dictate whether you show your permit or not, unless its the one permit you are depending on to carry concealed...it's not issued so you can carry outside the state, it's issued to you so you can carry INSIDE the state. It just so happens that the surrounding states are kind enough to recognize that permit.

Why complicate the issue? California for California carry, Utah for everywhere else.

I've got no problem with what you're saying, BUT if by some Twilight Zone-ish sequence of events the OCSD found out that you as an OC CCW holder had direct contact with a LEO in performance of his duties in Idaho, and you intentionally did not inform said LEO because, hey, you have your Utah permit, do you think OCSD can pull your permit?

[CCWInstructor]

IF your OCSD permit was not needed for the car stop. Thier policy does not apply.

[IAmASensFan]

Originally Posted by Dan M.

I've got no problem with what you're saying, BUT if by some Twilight Zone-ish sequence of events the OCSD found out that you as an OC CCW holder had direct contact with a LEO in performance of his duties in Idaho, and you intentionally did not inform said LEO because, hey, you have your Utah permit, do you think OCSD can pull your permit?

I would think that if they did, it's yet another argument against "may issue" and for "shall issue"

[Dan M.]

Originally Posted by CCWInstructor

IF your OCSD permit was not needed for the car stop. Thier policy does not apply.

Well, there you go then.

[NSP]

I think the simplest answer is just to put your hands on your belt right next to your CCW shield and clear your throat a couple of times.