my first 48hrs with a permit

[SierraNevadaCCW]

Originally Posted by point45

Why not?

Do the criminals have some code of ethics that precludes them from attacking me while i work out. Or maybe they are just to lazy to go jogging to try and attack me.

Tried the 5.11 shirt and while it would definatly be slower then a holster on the waist it still allows me to keep the gun on me while wearing workout clothes. And its better to me then a fannypack since i hate wearing one while running as it moves around and a fanny pack really does scream gun.

Once i have my hand on the gun its easy to rip it out of there. I leave the grip poking out of the pocket and it lets me just grab the gun once my hand is under there. It does get in the way slightly, but as with driving while carrying a gun, I just deal with it. Yes it is slower, yes its made by 5.11, yes i keep a gun on me when working out. May it be overkill? perhaps but what good is having a permit if you dont use it.

I carry my gun EVERYWHERE, except ... If I go running...that is an example of one of a fraction of a percent of times when I DON'T carry. If I go for a walk...with my family, I'm armed.

On the other stuff....cameras are everywhere, only adjust your firearm in a stall...or your car after looking around for people nearby.

How did your mother "make you"? Make sure that firearm is concealed right....CCW people have a whole different outlook on what to wear...vs. what to carry and where.

Talk to your girlfriend about not "making you" in the field verbally or with body language. If you are in a scenario where you have to think about what to do...you don't want her spouting off about your gun.

I had a girlfriend who wanted to visit ATM's in bad parts of town at 2am when we'd go out. I'd tell her she was crazy and no way...and she would say..."why not...you have a gun". Then I'd have to explain that I don't want to have to use the gun just because I have it...it's not the movies.

Teach your GF not to expose your gun when she puts her arm around you...physically, with body language or anything else...while in public.

My wife and I have policies on what to do and not do while in public and I'm armed. No bickering...we go straight to the truck and lock the doors to argue if it happens....rare but it does. She knows that if the gun comes out, it's serious and she's supposed to get the kids away or back me up. We dont' talk about the gun at all whatsoever in public...even if it's a whisper. It's not a "gun" it's something else. We have a name for it.

My kids are not allowed to pull on my shirt while we are walking. I've had to tell my son not to tug on my shirt 6 times...and the last time, I explained it frankly and in detail as to why he shouldn't.

My daughter asked if I was going to "shoot the ghosts" when we were in line at the haunted house at the Mousehouse. I whispered in her ear that shooting and gun talk was private family business that we don't talk about in public. She said she understood and didn't say another word...and hasn't since anywhere else.

If you put stuff into perspective for your immediate family and GF...you will reduce your problems...but you have to explain so they understand "why".

Good luck with your CCW.

[BonoVox]

Originally Posted by SierraNevadaCCW

I carry my gun EVERYWHERE, except ... If I go running...that is an example of one of a fraction of a percent of times when I DON'T carry. If I go for a walk...with my family, I'm armed.

On the other stuff....cameras are everywhere, only adjust your firearm in a stall...or your car after looking around for people nearby.

How did your mother "make you"? Make sure that firearm is concealed right....CCW people have a whole different outlook on what to wear...vs. what to carry and where.

Talk to your girlfriend about not "making you" in the field verbally or with body language. If you are in a scenario where you have to think about what to do...you don't want her spouting off about your gun.

I had a girlfriend who wanted to visit ATM's in bad parts of town at 2am when we'd go out. I'd tell her she was crazy and no way...and she would say..."why not...you have a gun". Then I'd have to explain that I don't want to have to use the gun just because I have it...it's not the movies.

Teach your GF not to expose your gun when she puts her arm around you...physically, with body language or anything else...while in public.

My wife and I have policies on what to do and not do while in public and I'm armed. No bickering...we go straight to the truck and lock the doors to argue if it happens....rare but it does. She knows that if the gun comes out, it's serious and she's supposed to get the kids away or back me up. We dont' talk about the gun at all whatsoever in public...even if it's a whisper. It's not a "gun" it's something else. We have a name for it.

My kids are not allowed to pull on my shirt while we are walking. I've had to tell my son not to tug on my shirt 6 times...and the last time, I explained it frankly and in detail as to why he shouldn't.

My daughter asked if I was going to "shoot the ghosts" when we were in line at the haunted house at the Mousehouse. I whispered in her ear that shooting and gun talk was private family business that we don't talk about in public. She said she understood and didn't say another word...and hasn't since anywhere else.

If you put stuff into perspective for your immediate family and GF...you will reduce your problems...but you have to explain so they understand "why".

Good luck with your CCW.

Great advice.

[hbliam]

Originally Posted by point45

What people are arrested for and charged with doing, how they go about those acts many times made me ill.

My friends that are federal and local investigators telling me the circumstances of past cases. The motives for such malicious and inhumane deeds over such trivial matters and sometimes for no reason other then that they could.

While i do not go around expecting trouble nor do i go looking for it, i do not deny that bad things happen to good people. And not just in the bad parts of town.

Preaching to the choir but I still don't "feel" like I need to carry 24/7. That's just me though.

[point45]

Originally Posted by SierraNevadaCCW

I carry my gun EVERYWHERE, except ... If I go running...that is an example of one of a fraction of a percent of times when I DON'T carry. If I go for a walk...with my family, I'm armed.

On the other stuff....cameras are everywhere, only adjust your firearm in a stall...or your car after looking around for people nearby.

How did your mother "make you"? Make sure that firearm is concealed right....CCW people have a whole different outlook on what to wear...vs. what to carry and where.

Talk to your girlfriend about not "making you" in the field verbally or with body language. If you are in a scenario where you have to think about what to do...you don't want her spouting off about your gun.

I had a girlfriend who wanted to visit ATM's in bad parts of town at 2am when we'd go out. I'd tell her she was crazy and no way...and she would say..."why not...you have a gun". Then I'd have to explain that I don't want to have to use the gun just because I have it...it's not the movies.

Teach your GF not to expose your gun when she puts her arm around you...physically, with body language or anything else...while in public.

My wife and I have policies on what to do and not do while in public and I'm armed. No bickering...we go straight to the truck and lock the doors to argue if it happens....rare but it does. She knows that if the gun comes out, it's serious and she's supposed to get the kids away or back me up. We dont' talk about the gun at all whatsoever in public...even if it's a whisper. It's not a "gun" it's something else. We have a name for it.

My kids are not allowed to pull on my shirt while we are walking. I've had to tell my son not to tug on my shirt 6 times...and the last time, I explained it frankly and in detail as to why he shouldn't.

My daughter asked if I was going to "shoot the ghosts" when we were in line at the haunted house at the Mousehouse. I whispered in her ear that shooting and gun talk was private family business that we don't talk about in public. She said she understood and didn't say another word...and hasn't since anywhere else.

If you put stuff into perspective for your immediate family and GF...you will reduce your problems...but you have to explain so they understand "why".

Good luck with your CCW.

Thats very good advice and ive already talked to her about most of those points.

As to how my mom made it out, well she just knows me. She noticed the slight buldge on the side, knows i dont normally carry anything on my belt and i was wearing a button up shirt which i almost never did before being issued my permit.

[point45]

Originally Posted by hbliam

Preaching to the choir but I still don't "feel" like I need to carry 24/7. That's just me though.

agreed and i dont feel like i need it all the time either. As I said before, the majority of the times i feel that i must have it with me is around my work schedule.

In all honesty if for whatever reason i couldnt carry somewhere or I just didnt for whatever reason, I really would not feel as if i was exposing myself to any greater risk or be at a serious disadvantage. But ive got the permit and like having a spare tire in a car, ill try to have it with me as much as possible.

[sealbeach]

Originally Posted by hbliam

I understand that we could need our ccw anywhere at anytime. Conversely, you can also make decisions that would drop the need for a CCW to next to nil. Like jogging in irvine rather then hawaiian gardens. I'm going sailing in 15 minutes...out of Long Beach...without a gun. Just don't think I'll run into anyone out there.

PS: Congrats on your CCW, update your profile.

Oh fine, ever heard of boardings by high-seas pirates???



OK, just kidding! Maybe in Indonesia, but probably not off SoCal!

[newshooterinca]

Originally Posted by hbliam

Having the permit to carry is nice but...while jogging?

In that situation I pocket carry the little Kahr PM9. Any other way and the gun is drenched in sweat

[newshooterinca]

Originally Posted by point45

In reality i probably only NEED to carry right around my work schedule.

My philosophy is this: If I feel like I NEED to carry, I just don't go there!!!

Otherwise I carry everywhere it's legal.

[Panhead Bill]

Along the same lines, I'm wondering what's the best way to carry in my situation. I wear dress attire, shirt, tie & slacks. Shirt is tucked in. I have a iwb holster that the shirt tucks around, but the butt kind of bulges pretty good. I've looked at the compression t-shirts - who has used those?

PH Bill

[tdogg]

Originally Posted by hbliam

Preaching to the choir but I still don't "feel" like I need to carry 24/7. That's just me though.

You'd be surprised how many cops don't even carry 24/7. I've ONLY been involved in confrontations while in the "I didn't think I'd have trouble" areas. I was talking to an Officer about this today at training. Better to have it and not need it, than not have it and need it. Heck... even if it means the oh so fashionable jogging fanny pack that screams gun.

But it's each of our own lives to live with different levels of comfortable.

[libertarian]

Originally Posted by Panhead Bill

Along the same lines, I'm wondering what's the best way to carry in my situation. I wear dress attire, shirt, tie & slacks. Shirt is tucked in. I have a iwb holster that the shirt tucks around, but the butt kind of bulges pretty good. I've looked at the compression t-shirts - who has used those?

Never tried the compression shirts, but when I have to carry at work in 'unforgiving' formal wear, I like the Smartcarry holsters.

And the best part about them is that they dramatically enhance your awareness of muzzle direction!

[johnadams]

Originally Posted by point45

So far its been great, only problem is that i have to stop by work on the way to school and leave it in the safe as there is a definite no weapons policy and it would be a shame for me to be expelled my senior year and not finish my degree. However I swear if theres a school shooting and i am injured a lawsuit is coming, may it never come to that though.

According to Penal Code 626.9, "It is unlawful for any person to possess or bring a firearm upon the grounds of, into, or within a distance of 1,000 feet from the grounds of a school providing instruction in kindergarten or grades 1 to 12, inclusive, or a campus of the University of California, California State University, or California community colleges."

However, exemptions include: "Any person authorized to carry a concealed firearm pursuant to Penal Code section 12050."

Unfortunately, I cannot find this exemption specifically listed in Penal Code 626.9.

Exemption listing source: http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/forms/pdf/cfl.pdf

So, what happens if a CCW holder is walking 900 feet away from a California State University?

[spc]

To the best of my knowlege this exemption is valid for CCW holders as well as any other exceptions noted in the regulations.

We must remember that concealed is concealed.

spc

[Hoser]

Originally Posted by johnadams

So, what happens if a CCW holder is walking 900 feet away from a California State University?

He's (she) will be fine. This has been covered a bunch here before.

[libertarian]

Originally Posted by johnadams

According to Penal Code 626.9, "It is unlawful for any person to possess or bring a firearm upon the grounds of, into, or within a distance of 1,000 feet from the grounds of a school providing instruction in kindergarten or grades 1 to 12, inclusive, or a campus of the University of California, California State University, or California community colleges."

However, exemptions include: "Any person authorized to carry a concealed firearm pursuant to Penal Code section 12050."

Unfortunately, I cannot find this exemption specifically listed in Penal Code 626.9.

Exemption listing source: http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/forms/pdf/cfl.pdf

So, what happens if a CCW holder is walking 900 feet away from a California State University?

It's there. Maybe your PDF is old? Section 626.9(l). Edit: I checked the PDF. It's the 11th bullet point on page 50 (56 of the PDF), under "Firearms on school grounds."

(l) This section does not apply to a duly appointed peace officer as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, a full-time paid peace officer of another state or the federal government who is carrying out official duties while in California, any person summoned by any of these officers to assist in making arrests or preserving the peace while he or she is actually engaged in assisting the officer, a member of the military forces of this state or of the United States who is engaged in the performance of his or her duties, a person holding a valid license to carry the firearm pursuant to Article 3 (commencing with Section 12050) of Chapter 1 of Title 2 of Part 4, or an armored vehicle guard, engaged in the performance of his or her duties, as defined in subdivision (e) of Section 7521 of the Business and Professions Code.