Called in DUI Driver, LEO contact with CHP

[SierraNevadaCCW]

I called in a wrong way parked car and drunk peeing in the middle of the northbound lanes of I-5 back in 89'

[SOLDIERSCOTT]

Originally Posted by SierraNevadaCCW

I called in a wrong way parked car and drunk peeing in the middle of the northbound lanes of I-5 back in 89'

hahahahahaha

Shoulda hit him... or took pictures....for evidence....

Derringer: most phones can voice-dial-by-number, and 911 should be an option. My phone has 3 different types of PD numbers. At work, the West LAPD Dispatch is POLICE, for Long Beach PD at home it is HELP, and for regular 911, it is EMERGENCY.

Your phone may have a different system, and I had to play around with mine to get it to recognize what I wanted it to do. Eventually I got it to work, and have had to use the feature a few times. My entire team has done it with different kinds of phones. iPhone was the hardest to get to work.

[aerosick]

Originally Posted by SOLDIERSCOTT

And, FWIW, a tip for everyone: Get the direct line to your local PD Dispatch for non-emergency and put it in your phone under POLICE. Voice recognition is easier and (IMHO) safer to use if you have a BG at gun point.

Our cellphones are with T-Mobile. On their Site I logged into my account and I was able to put our home address on our phone numbers. Now, if we ever have to dial 9-1-1, they can see our address just like they can see it if we ever called them from our home address. I don't know what address (if any) would show before I made this change.

This should save a lot of time trying to validate who we are and where we live...

Billy

[EM2]

Initially I did not take the screw the barrel of my gun comment literally but only after it seemed there was support for such an unwarranted action did I feel it necessary to comment.
In the described incident the CCW person in no way exhibited any action that could have prompted such a reaction out of the officer so I was surprised at the comment made by Gladiator and disappointed that there would be support for such actions. I hate to think I could be walking down the street or in a mall and have a police officer attack me simply because he may have seen my "bulge" or even if he did see my pistol printing. I would hope he would react but in a more appropriate manner.
The comments that pop up once in a while espousing the need for us common folk to do a ride along to see what it is like are in themselves ignorant and show the divide between the public and the law officers. Even if I were to do a ride along and see what they go through this would not change the fact that there should not be support for an escalated reaction at the site of an unknown “bulge” where a firearm might be.

[rycerz]

Originally Posted by EM2

Initially I did not take the screw the barrel of my gun comment literally but only after it seemed there was support for such an unwarranted action did I feel it necessary to comment.

Screw the barrel into someone's ear should not be taken literally as it's TACTICALLY unadviseable to be so close to the person.

In the described incident the CCW person in no way exhibited any action that could have prompted such a reaction out of the officer so I was surprised at the comment made by Gladiator and disappointed that there would be support for such actions. I hate to think I could be walking down the street or in a mall and have a police officer attack me simply because he may have seen my "bulge" or even if he did see my pistol printing. I would hope he would react but in a more appropriate manner.

You're comparing apples to oranges. We were talking about a scenario where you have a contact with a LEO whether you seek it out or he stops you rather then him seeing you walk by.

The comments that pop up once in a while espousing the need for us common folk to do a ride along to see what it is like are in themselves ignorant and show the divide between the public and the law officers. Even if I were to do a ride along and see what they go through this would not change the fact that there should not be support for an escalated reaction at the site of an unknown “bulge” where a firearm might be.

We're not talking about an "unknown" bulge. We're talking about a situation where LEO has a reasonable suspicion that there is a concealed firearm. Add to that person's behaviour (and no.... how they dress has little to do with it... it's their behaviour) and they might consider it a high risk encounter.

Bottom line is courtesy goes both ways. You will be afforded as much courtesy as you give. Letting a LEO know that you're legally carrying is a courtesy. You don't give him that he'll assume that you're well... a BG till he is proven otherwise.

[mjones]

Originally Posted by rycerz

Bottom line is courtesy goes both ways. You will be afforded as much courtesy as you give. Letting a LEO know that you're legally carrying is a courtesy. You don't give him that he'll assume that you're well... a BG till he is proven otherwise.

For disclosure purposes; I'm a former LEO, I made a career change in '96.

The statement I bolded above is where the crux of there the problem lies. I realize that cops largely deal with the dregs of society on a daily basis, but they also deal with allot of normal everyday folks as well...they're usually the innocent victims of things like robberies, burglaries, traffic accidents, etc etc.

What I often see today from current (predominantly younger) LEOs is that unless they have that direct connection between bad guy and victim that often they default all interactions to 'bad guy status'

I had the privledge of having a 30 year vet as my FTO back in the day...he gave me some advice that I still live by every day, "Treat every person you meet as if they were your mother, but always have a plan to kill them."

Simply put, if any LEO's #1 priority is 'to go home at night', they're doing it wrong...

[SierraNevadaCCW]

Originally Posted by mjones

For disclosure purposes; I'm a former LEO, I made a career change in '96.

I had the privledge of having a 30 year vet as my FTO back in the day...he gave me some advice that I still live by every day, "Treat every person you meet as if they were your mother, but always have a plan to kill them."

Simply put, if any LEO's #1 priority is 'to go home at night', they're doing it wrong...

Very well said and great piece of advice. Exactly. My SGT. told me the exact same thing about treating people like your mother back in the day. He was also a 30+ year veteran. That doesn't mean you let your guard down or become fat, dumb and happy. It just means you have manners and professionalism in your job. Those simple manners can be the difference in just about every category.

[rycerz]

Originally Posted by mjones

For disclosure purposes; I'm a former LEO, I made a career change in '96.

The statement I bolded above is where the crux of there the problem lies. I realize that cops largely deal with the dregs of society on a daily basis, but they also deal with allot of normal everyday folks as well...they're usually the innocent victims of things like robberies, burglaries, traffic accidents, etc etc.

What I often see today from current (predominantly younger) LEOs is that unless they have that direct connection between bad guy and victim that often they default all interactions to 'bad guy status'

I had the privledge of having a 30 year vet as my FTO back in the day...he gave me some advice that I still live by every day, "Treat every person you meet as if they were your mother, but always have a plan to kill them."

Actually believe it or not we're saying the same thing (or at least attempting to). When I talk that a person is to be considered a BG until proven otherwise is only that. It does not mean treat them worse or treat them like dirt cause they're people too. Kind of equates under the "treat them like your mother but have a plan to kill 'em" category.

Simply put, if any LEO's #1 priority is 'to go home at night', they're doing it wrong...

I'm not going to even enter that part of discussion as this is neither the time nor place but bottom line is that nowhere it says that they have to sacrifice their life in favour of courtesy...... Does not mean they have to be rude or abusive but they have families that do want them to come home at the end of their shift......

[Keith92555]

Wow!! I haven't visited this thread in a while. It REALLY went sideways.

[rycerz]

Interesting reading:
Court upholds police pointing gun at lawful carrier

[Keith92555]

So we went from a cool contact with a fellow gun enthusiast, while at the same time getting a drunk driver arrested, to full on cop bashing? I didn't have to go too far through this thread to figure out where it went soooo wrong. If Gladiator would just tone down the bravado under cover of authority BS. Sir, do you realize what posts like this sound like to the rest of the forum?

Originally Posted by Gladiator

Very smart you told him. I would rather YOU tell me before I notice the buldge. Otherwise, you would have felt a metal circle screwed into you ear, asking what the buldge was. You did good, I wish everybody was that smart.

Originally Posted by Gladiator

You must not know the difference, those two print very difference than a gun. I on the other hand do. I haven't been wrong yet.

You sound like every bad stereotype I have ever seen posted by the cop bashers over at Calguns. We all would handle every situation differently, but I am pretty damn sure that everyone posting on this forum would handle any LEO contact with mutual respect and caution. But the respect has to be mutual, and you won't get any with posts like that.

Just my opinion.

Keith

So can we stop with the cop bashing now?

[derringer]

Keith, I don't really see any "cop bashing" going on, so much as bashing a philosophy. I would hope all of us here respect law enforcement to the nth degree. Something was said (and it doesn't even matter whether he is leo or not) that should strike a nerve of any CCW holder. Apparently, even a veteran officer felt compelled to respond. In my worst nightmare I couldn't imagine any person throwing me down to the ground with the barrel of a Glock pointed at my brains and jeapordizing my probability of making it home to my family alive that day just because he saw a bulge in one of my pockets. Clinical paranoia just doesn't happen in this country, so I've decided to discount such talk as, well....just talk.

[EM2]

Originally Posted by Keith92555

We all would handle every situation differently, but I am pretty damn sure that everyone posting on this forum would handle any LEO contact with mutual respect and caution. But the respect has to be mutual, and you won't get any with posts like that.

Just my opinion.

Keith

+1

[EM2]

Originally Posted by derringer

... I don't really see any "cop bashing" going on, so much as bashing a philosophy. I would hope all of us here respect law enforcement to the nth degree. Something was said (and it doesn't even matter whether he is leo or not) that should strike a nerve of any CCW holder. Apparently, even a veteran officer felt compelled to respond. In my worst nightmare I couldn't imagine any person throwing me down to the ground with the barrel of a Glock pointed at my brains and jeapordizing my probability of making it home to my family alive that day just because he saw a bulge in one of my pockets....

This sums up nicely why I posted what I did earlier. We all want to go home at the end of the day and none of us deserves to be harassed or threatened be it by BG or LEO.

[G36 Steve]

Originally Posted by rycerz

Interesting reading:
Court upholds police pointing gun at lawful carrier

Unbelievable!
I fully understand officer safety. I've drawn my pistol a few times myself but I also understand how over the last 3 or 4 decades the meaning of the 2nd Amendment got lost.
Now we have a bunch of LE recruits who enter the academy with little or no experience at handling firearms. Most of these folks have been indoctrinated into believing only cops and bad people carry guns. So, it stands to reason we see politicians, cops and judges who have lost sight of what the RKBA really means. It's very sad that we have let our children down by being so complacent. I pray that by the next election America wakes up. If not there may not be an America much longer.
How's that hope and change thing working for you these days?