Rabobank Arena in Bakersfield

[El Gato]

again...Policy as opposed to code...?

[Keith92555]

Originally Posted by El Gato

again...Policy as opposed to code...?

Yeah, if it their policy it means nothing to CCW holders. They can ask you to leave and, of course, you must leave if asked. But if it is not codified, their "policy" is just a request in this state.

[brightside]

Legally, you're fine. If you were found out and the company called your issuing agency, your CCW may be revoked. It depends how strict your issuing agency is. If the company had clear signs posted, the choice to revoke may me more clear. If there were no clear posted signs, I bet your issuing agency will be more lenient and assume it was harmless error.

[THE Gimper]

Originally Posted by brightside

Legally, you're fine. If you were found out and the company called your issuing agency, your CCW may be revoked. It depends how strict your issuing agency is. If the company had clear signs posted, the choice to revoke may me more clear. If there were no clear posted signs, I bet your issuing agency will be more lenient and assume it was harmless error.

Having clearly posted signs qualifies as official notification, just as if a company representative spoke to you.

[Slabsides]

Originally Posted by El Gato

again...Policy as opposed to code...?

I believe it to be "policy".

[El Gato]

for further clarification....

Kern County Sheriff...

While carrying the weapon under the CCW permit, the applicant:

o shall not ingest, inhale, inject or be under the influence of illegal drugs at any time or ingest or be under the influence of alcohol while carrying the weapon.
o Shall not represent self as a peace officer at any time.
o Shall not violate any federal, state, or local law, statute or ordinance.
o Shall not be under the influence of any mind-altering medication, including, but not limited to those labeled with a warning not to operate a motor vehicle or other machinery.
o Shall not impede any law enforcement officer in the performance of their duties.
o Shall not refuse to display or surrender their permits and weapon when requested to do so by a peace officer.
o Shall not unjustifiably display a deadly weapon.
o Shall immediately notify any peace officer with whom the licensee comes in contact with that the licensee is armed and has a permit in their possession.
o Shall abide by the restrictions or limitations placed on the permit.
o This permit does not authorize taking a firearm aboard any commercial aircraft.
o The 4 hour Training Certificates are only good for 60 days. You may take your 4 hour refresher course 60 days in advance, but we are not allowed to renew your permit before 30 days.
o If your permit expires, you will have to start the CCW process all over. There is no grace period, no exceptions.


I'm thinking your behavior when asked to leave will be what is scrutinized more than anything...

I mean really... for instance, (pc 12071. something I think) carrying at a gun show is illegal unless your an exhibitor right? and isn't carrying at a gun show considered like...normal in Kern?...whatever...(it is against the law) but... rabobank?... really

[mark]

the reason for no carry is due to them wanting a lead free zone in a Condor habitat area

[THE Gimper]

Originally Posted by El Gato

I'm thinking your behavior when asked to leave will be what is scrutinized more than anything...

True. However, as I mentioned, if they have clearly posted signs, that equates to official notice. If you ignore that, and are asked to leave, and they report it to the issuing authority (even if you leave) you might have a harder time explaining why you deliberately ignored the signs.

[El Gato]

Originally Posted by mark

the reason for no carry is due to them wanting a lead free zone in a Condor habitat area

Oh....that's good...like really really good.... punch for the man card in the humor section.......Mark Rocks...

[mjones]

Originally Posted by THE Gimper

True. However, as I mentioned, if they have clearly posted signs, that equates to official notice. If you ignore that, and are asked to leave, and they report it to the issuing authority (even if you leave) you might have a harder time explaining why you deliberately ignored the signs.

Who are they gonna report and who are they gonna report it too?

Call the 58 Sheriffs and tell them that a white guy 5'8" 150 lbs needs his CCW revoked?

[CCWInstructor]

They WILL watch what vehicle you get in too. It's been done before.

[38special]

Originally Posted by brightside

Legally, you're fine. If you were found out and the company called your issuing agency, your CCW may be revoked. It depends how strict your issuing agency is. If the company had clear signs posted, the choice to revoke may me more clear. If there were no clear posted signs, I bet your issuing agency will be more lenient and assume it was harmless error.

When I carried at our local concert venue the day signs went up I caught all kinds of heck in here for violating posted policy. I checked with staff members and the venues site before going to the concert. The signs went up the very day we were there.
So what is different in the OP not checking the policy and carrying and me checking and a policy changing?

[sysninja]

Originally Posted by Keith92555

Yeah, if it their policy it means nothing to CCW holders. They can ask you to leave and, of course, you must leave if asked. But if it is not codified, their "policy" is just a request in this state.

Can you show me the PC where it says CCW holders are exempt from the "no gun zone" rule?

[IDNTWN2]

There is none. But.... There is no code which gives any legal means to enforce such zones. Other states do (Texas). These signs have to conform to the specification in the law or they can be ignored. We have no such penal code in ca or on kern so all that they can do is request that you leave. At least this is my current understanding.

[THE Gimper]

Originally Posted by sysninja

Can you show me the PC where it says CCW holders are exempt from the "no gun zone" rule?

Originally Posted by IDNTWN2

There is none. But.... There is no code which gives any legal means to enforce such zones. Other states do (Texas). These signs have to conform to the specification in the law or they can be ignored. We have no such penal code in ca or on kern so all that they can do is request that you leave. At least this is my current understanding.

Correct. Legally you would be fine except that, if you refuse to leave you could be charged with trespassing. However, even if you are legal, you could end up in trouble with your issuing authority if they find out that you knowingly ignored the posted signs. They could decide to revoke your permit. All we're advising is caution.