Some CCW Fail Today

[derringer]

Originally Posted by El Gato

Sitting on bleachers with an IWB and using like a t-shirt to cover is a very difficult situation in which to hide a gun. simply because it is almost impossible to sit up straight.. we might all try but eventually we bend over and the gun butt sticks out...

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Butt forward all but eliminates this problem.

Desert_Rat, see:
http://www.calccw.com/Forums/general...tml#post175328
and also posts #37 and 38 following in that thread.

[X-ffdo]

You might rethink your strategy. Sig 229 is not as compact as a Glock 27, the feds pack the 229 but they wear mostly business suits. In my opinion a 229 is just getting marginal size wise for CCW. You might want to go back to the Glock 27 and rethink the strategy for the time being, until you find a better concealment strategy, or carry that for winter time carry, etc

[Brian_1911]

I say dont worry about it and print on. You found a couple bored kids with nothing to do looking at every detail. For all you know they were looking to jack wallets hanging out of back pockets which brought their eyes to every guys right side area. You could have been messing with the gun adjusting etc and not even aware in doing so which brought attention to you.

I CCW a glock 21sf and am a Physical Therapy Assistant. I am around people daily and even around families whom are cops. I have to get up close and personal with people to transfer them or work with care givers to educated how to transfer patients. Several times I have had the gun touched by someone giving me a hug or saying good bye with the pat of their hand.

Never once have I been made nor do I react differently when I know someone touched it or if I am printing. I think you are over reacting to one situation and I wouldnt worry about it any longer. Try some new button up dress shirts that fit you and the gun would be my only suggestion.

[derringer]

Originally Posted by Brian_1911

Never once have I been made..........

It amazes me how many times I've heard this. Unless you are God, how do you know???

[Brian_1911]

Originally Posted by derringer

It amazes me how many times I've heard this. Unless you are God, how do you know???

Me knowing is all that matters. If someone did make me and nothing happened then who cares. If another CCW person or the like is good enough to spot some under the shirt printing good for them but if I know about it then its because they made a stink or fuss which could turn into being an issue.

FYI

that butt forward idea looks very dangerous. Sure in a controlled environment and taking it slow you might be able to control the muzzle but I would love to see that draw under the clock at a match. My guess is a DQ would occur almost instantly by sweaping yourself or those behind you.

[derringer]

Originally Posted by Brian_1911

Me knowing is all that matters.

Unless you carry deeply concealed or not at all, the fact is you DON'T "know"!

What if the OP was a little harder of hearing? What if the kids saw it, said what they said, but the OP never heard about it or "knew" he was made? Could he just as well go through life saying, "Why, I know I have never, ever been made! (I'm soooo good)"

"I say dont worry about it and print on" is irresponsible CCW practice.

[Brian_1911]

I think worrying about printing to the point of carrying the gun in a manner which is unsafe when drawn is more irresponsible. Printing is not a crime and only we know about this or those who are looking for it so who cares. If its outside your shirt and in plane view that is no good but printing is part of IWB and CCW making it reality not irresponsibility. Get over it or put it in a fanny pack so everyone knows what it is but just technically cant see it.

[Brian_1911]

By the way in post #38 I love the pic where the gun is being drawn with your finger on the trigger.

[derringer]

Originally Posted by Brian_1911

Printing is not a crime and only we know about this or those who are looking for it so who cares......printing is part of IWB and CCW making it reality not irresponsibility.

If this is your philosophy, then I can pretty much guarantee you have been made at some time, even though you "know" you haven't

The twist draw is only as unsafe as the weapons platform or the person using it. I wouldn't recommend that anyone use it who does not feel comfortable using it, is untrained or using a weapon that would be prone to an AD while using it. Using it with most semi-automatics would be iffy, but revolvers fit the bill nicely. If you can't reduce printing to a bare minimum with a semi, then maybe one should consider changing platforms. What good is concealed if it ain't concealed

con-ceal: 1)to prevent disclosure or recognition of

BTW, my finger is alongside the trigger. Follow the photo sequence before passing judgement on something about which you evidently know nothing. Why dig yourself into a deeper hole?

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Desert_Rat, you are to be commended for sharing your experience with us. Instead of going into denial or being flippant about it, you recognized that what happened was an indication that you needed to reevaluate your system. Good for you! We all need to carry responsibly. I hope you will find a better system that works for you.

[9x45]

derringer, it looks to me like you are trying to put a cap in your ass. Have you ever heard of Master Grip? It means your trigger finger is parallel to the bore axis until you are actually ready to put a cap in someone's ass. I have been carrying for over 40 years, and have never, ever, seen a draw like that. Is that some sort of Jewish Circumcision by gunfire? I carry a Glock, Mexican style, hot, all the time, but I never put my finger on the trigger on the way out.

"BTW, my finger is alongside the trigger" NO, it's on the trigger!

Printing is way, way over rated. Only cops, and not most of them, and a few CCW types will even notice it.

[Keith92555]

WOW, this is turning into . I think saying that printing is just a part of CCW is ill advised. You should be doing EVERYTHING POSSIBLE to ensure that it remains concealed. That said, I think resorting to a carry position that resorts in a VERY iffy draw is nuts. Then advocating that others carry in that position after the shortcomings of that draw have been explicitly pointed out?

I am done with this thread.

[Desert_Rat]

Yeah,Sad to see this thread go down hill,
derringer thanks for the kudos(if that's what we'll call it)
I like this forum because of it's history of keeping it civil,matter of fact and informative.
Thanks to all who contributed.

[derringer]

Desert_Rat, I'm sorry, too, that your thread turned into this. Printing is a serious thing, and anything you can do to minimize it is the responsible thing to do.
In the meantime, I was criticized on my suggestion and felt compelled to defend myself, especially when allegations concerning an "unsafe" practice were simply untrue. One more post for clarification and I'll be gone. Hopefully the thread can pick up where it was supposed to be headed.

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The twist draw is no more "unsafe" than SOB (that's "small of back" for you new guys).

Originally Posted by 9x45

"BTW, my finger is alongside the trigger" NO, it's on the trigger!

No, it's not.
Seems you guys need to eat more carrots:

..with carrot boost:


I can enlarge it even more for you guys if I need to.

If you are unsafe, do not use the twist draw or SOB! In fact, if you are unsafe, please do not carry at all!

[beyaaah]

Was at a fast food joint today...Noticed a clean cut guy with his family. Looked cookie cutter LEO. He was "printing" BAD. could see the whole outline of his pistol while standing straight up.

Got next to him at the soda machine and let him know in a low tone.. "Your printing pretty bad". He acknowledged with a "Thanks brother" and went into the bathroom to adjust.

99.9% of others probably didn't notice but, I always have my head on a swivel. Force of habit.

Just hope someone would do the same for me if the roles were reversed. Rather than blow it out of proportion and call 911.

[El Gato]

Seen some interesting holster styles in the last 20 years...gotta ask...where's the cavalry saber......sorry couldn't resist......ok...not sorry...but don't mean that anyone take it wrong... each to his own...as long as my clients can draw and not cover anyone then they are free to be Americans and to it any way they want...as long as it's safe...but I do want a saber now...really...and aren't you supposed to draw that thing with the left hand?... I'm just asking... right hand for saber...left for the revolving smoke wagon...or that's what they taught me back in horse ridin' school...wasn't much of a school really...just me and my buddy and a coupla flea bitting old rodeo horses... and when I say old... I mean mine was 35 yrs old when I got her...'course I was 7 and knew everything what was worth knowin' then...AAAaaaahhhh takes me back...