CHP pulled me over yesterday

[X-ffdo]

Ok.
You want to hear mine?
Many years ago I was camping up near Redding.
A friend of mine and I Got up in the morning, packed and headed south.
Near the town of Orland I saw a large square container of water on the road, it was hard to tell what it was until up close because it was translucent. I was doing about 55 Mph. I swerved to avoid the object and the car, Isuzu Trooper rolled over, when it went off the road after it contacted gravel.
The CHP guy, Mr. Ego, issued a citation, accused me of something else. Driving on the wrong side of the road...Joke!...An airline Capt!. He victimized me instead of helping me, as I layed all bloodied with a dislocated shoulder.
I went to court there, I explained that consumers report( I had the article) reported that Isuzu Troopers could be accidentally rolled at 36 Mph. The article came out after the accident.
The judge, the scenario was out of a movie like "Deliverance". Or one of those ads by Patrolman Joe in Florida...."You are in a hep of trouble, Boy" (That's were they got the movie character, portrayed by Jackie Gleason) The judge told me if the car was unsafe at 36Mph to drive it on the freeway at 35Mph...Mr. Funny Man!
The CHP and Judge all were having fun!. That was downright disgusting.
I am sure it was more onerous as I don't speak "cracker". I was to them again, another strawberry picker.
What a disgrace!. In the meantime down here I know a lot of descent people in the Sheriff Dept. and other Law Enforcement organizations. How different they are. How proud I would be to be a part of their department! It is all about leadership. And "the Captain sets the tone". If you are a REMF in charge, then that will be reflected in the attitude and disposition of your dept. Look at the guy at Placentia PD, I do not know about that dept. you'd be the judge....Need I say more?

[G30 Steve]

What happened at Placentia PD?

[X-ffdo]

Their chief got canned.

[DParker]

I've always had very good interaction with cops. Never a problem.

Once, an LAPD traffic cop let me go without a ticket when I clearly ran a stop sign. I was in my 20's (was a long time ago) and after he stopped me I got out of my car as he was getting out of his. I had no idea at the time that one should never do that. To his credit, he must have sensed I was no threat and we stood there and chatted with no problem. He never even corrected me about getting out of the car.

I was honest with him and admitted that I rolled through that stop sign. Was just in a hurry to get home after working a long day. Was wearing my white shirt and tie and name badge from my job as a clerk at Vons. His sister worked at Vons. That small fact and I suppose my good attitude resulted in him letting me go with a warning to be more diligent. He said "you're obviously a good guy...I'd rather spend my time hassling bad guys."

Haven't been stopped for any reason in over 25 years, but have had other interactions.

In later years, as a store manager with Vons, I had more mixed results from the Fresno PD and Sheriff's dept. dealing with theft, assaults, check fraud, etc., but mostly very good professionalism. Occasionally we'd get a lazy cop or an ego type, but not often.

Just last year I had a client (landlord) call me because a cop was threatening him about a rental deposit (am a Realtor now) and threatening to take him to jail. I called the cop, chatted him up, got his full name and badge number, and promptly called a senior capt. in Fresno PD whose wife works with me. Come to find out this cop was related to the unhappy tenant and was trying to throw his weight around. Disciplinary action followed.

So....even though there may be an occasional rotten egg, it seems to me that most LEOs are trying their best to make a difference and are worthy of the respect their job deserves.

[EM2]

Originally Posted by THaves

This time I used the silent approach and handed him both my CDL and my permit at the same time. Hands on top of the Wheel.

While this has been a very informative thread, & I have learned a lot especially from the LEO perspective, I believe something was missed in the beginning.
Is it really neccessary to present the LEO with your permit & open the issue if he did not ask if you had a weapon or anything that might hurt him?

During my CCW training it was recommended that we not volunteer any information unless asked. This is not to disrespect the officer or cause problems, but rather to avoid any conflicts with officers that are not familiar with, or may never have seen a CCW.

[Harry Carry]

Orange County requires that you immediately notify any LEO that contacts you for any reason.

[CCWInstructor]

Originally Posted by Harry Carry

Orange County requires that you immediately notify any LEO that contacts you for any reason.

So does San Bernadino per one of their students.

[X-ffdo]

Originally Posted by 1buba

Sorry, didn't know that any group has a lock on being perfect. Scratch what i said.

Well, We do! Think about it, if we are not perfect, we end up like those guys did in Poland this weekend, midair into tiny parts. The ground is depressingly solid, and it usually is the one that kills the pilot!. The air is even more unforgiving than the sea, as the result of any miscalculation will be felt almost immediately. We arrive there a few seconds before you, the passengers get there. Cruel joke!
Four basic maneuvers of flight. Climb, straight and level, turns and descend sometimes end up being out of whack, Stall, spin, crash and burn!.
Fortunatelly, because of our training, we keep it down to a few times a year.
So do LEOs. (I hope)

[EM2]

Fresno County does not require LEO to be notified right away, only if asked.

Does anyone know if State law addresses this issue?

It would seem to me that there ought to be some standard.

[CCWInstructor]

Originally Posted by EM2

Does anyone know if State law addresses this issue?

It would seem to me that there ought to be some standard.

No State law or State policy. The counties get to adress it.

[X-ffdo]

I have a copy of the paperwork from San Berdo Co. and I can not find anything related to that subject stipulated on the forms.

[CCWInstructor]

Originally Posted by X-ffdo

I have a copy of the paperwork from San Berdo Co. and I can not find anything related to that subject stipulated on the forms.

I was told by a former instructor of mine they said it several times in class. did they mention it in yours?

[EM2]

It was specifically addressed in my class that there was no law requiring you to notify the officer unless asked.
To be clear, if the officer asks directly or indirectly you are to notify him at that time. Usually they ask if there is anything on you or in your vehicle that could hurt them.
My instructor is a Reserve Deputy Sheriff as well as a practicing lawyer specializing in firearms issues.
The reason given for not volunteering that you have a CCW if it is not necessary has been pretty well represented by some of the previous posts.

[Hoser]

It was specifically addressed in my class that there was no law requiring you to notify the officer unless asked....

True, no state law requring it, but some counties make it a condition that the CCW holder must advise LE if/when they are contacted.

So, in Fresno you don't need to advise, but folks with a permit from OC Sheriff do need to advise.

[YankeeDog]

I have read all the 118 posts in this thread and I have a question that might be silly but it isn't addressed. If you are stopped by a LEO and are NOT carrying, should you inform him of your CCW regardless. Perhaps obvious, but I'd rather err on the side of caution.
YankeeDog in Surf City