CHP pulled me over yesterday

[DParker]

Originally Posted by CCWInstructor

Paul,

DO NOT clear it, keeping the muzzle direction safe give it to them. They will clear it and set it on the roof. The only place I know that does this is in the Fresno aea.

As to giving a LEO my gun, I have not ever been asked...but I have given some thought to how I would handle the event if asked.

I believe I would prefer the LEO to disarm me. "officer, my 9mm auto is IWB on my right hip, please disarm me if you wish". I'd lock my hands behind my head and let him take it. I would politely and respectfully decline to pull my weapon out myself. The obvious reason is that my action could be misunderstood by an observer or assisting officer who may not be in a position to hear the first officer's request.

Could be a tragic misunderstanding.

[Putan]

<><> If it comes to a situation where the
LEO wants my firearm,,, I would ask them
how they would like to proceed... Let them
make the determination of how they would
like to take possession of my firearm...

That way there is no misunderstandings...

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<><> Putan <><>

[DParker]

Originally Posted by Putan

<><> If it comes to a situation where the
LEO wants my firearm,,, I would ask them
how they would like to proceed... Let them
make the determination of how they would
like to take possession of my firearm...

That way there is no misunderstandings...

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<><> Putan <><>

There would be no misunderstandings with THAT LEO, but how about the backup cop that just arrived and is approaching out of earshot, what if your LEO is new and his training officer is observing from the other side of the car and didn't hear the exchange, what about the off-duty LEO that is observing the interaction from across the street, etc.....

I don't ever want to pull a gun in the presence of a LEO involved in an official interaction...even if he asks me to. I'd rather he control it beginning at the holster.

Maybe that's just me...

[G30 Steve]

As an LEO I might start getting a little nervous if, what I originally thought to be a good guy, starts trying to tell me how I'm going to control him.

The bottom line is you do what you are told without argument.
If a LEO orders me to hand it to him I'd do so very slowly with the muzzle pointed in a safe direction (at the ground) without any unnecessary conversation.

[Putan]

Originally Posted by DParker

There would be no misunderstandings with THAT LEO, but how about the backup cop that just arrived and is approaching out of earshot, what if your LEO is new and his training officer is observing from the other side of the car and didn't hear the exchange, what about the off-duty LEO that is observing the interaction from across the street, etc.....

I don't ever want to pull a gun in the presence of a LEO involved in an official interaction...even if he asks me to. I'd rather he control it beginning at the holster.

Maybe that's just me...

<><> So what you're saying is,,, if he
says to take the firearm out of the
holster,,, OH never mind... I would
think that the LEO should control the
situation...

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<><> Putan <><>

[Spicy McHaggis]

If he asks you to take it out of the holster say to him, "You mean you would like me to hand you my loaded weapon?" I can see a nice long pause here as he thinks about that one.

As said in previous posts, it's not something to worry about. Very few LEOs will ask you for it. It's safer for them for you to leave the weapon in your holster.

BUT If after asking that question and he still says yes, without taking you out of the car, then reach across with your other hand and remove it by grabbing the slide/hammer area, very, very slowly. And tell the LEO everything that you are doing, before you do it. I think it's much safer that way.

[DParker]

Originally Posted by Spicy McHaggis

If he asks you to take it out of the holster say to him, "You mean you would like me to hand you my loaded weapon?" I can see a nice long pause here as he thinks about that one.

As said in previous posts, it's not something to worry about. Very few LEOs will ask you for it. It's safer for them for you to leave the weapon in your holster.

Yeah...good point. I'm sure this is mostly just academic discussion anyway. The idea that a cop would want to disarm you, yet then want you to draw your weapon to accomplish that goal is nonsensical. If he is concerned enough to disarm you, I can't imagine he would want you touching/holding it.

I guess that's my primary thought. If he is not concerned, he leaves the gun where it's at untouched by anyone. If he is concerned or just extremely cautious, he isn't going to ask you to draw it.

That said...everybody (including cops) do nonsensical things at times. How many times have we all looked back and thought "crap...I can't believe I did/said that!"

I just don't want to get shot due to a nonsensical instruction no matter how well intended.

And as for comments about me wanting to somehow control the interaction, I disagree. I am proposing to "politely and respectfully" ask the cop to be the one controlling events...not me by asking me to draw my firearm. He is in poor control if I'm grasping a weapon.