When does concealed NOT mean concealed

[right2defend]

I thought I was doing the right thing by having both CA and UT permits. Crossing state lines is easy when one state accepts the permit from another...Not so with Nevada.

Today I happen to be in Virginia City, NV and my UT permit is no longer honored in NV so what did I do? Pulled over discretely removed my firearm, unloaded it and locked it up. Tomorrow I cross back into CA, then return to NV in the evening. I'm feeling safer in CA at the moment.

[Feather]

I am confused about something and would appreciate some advice/information from a knowledgeable person. I have a permit to carry a concealed weapon (CCW). I read somewhere that I have the option of carrying a loaded gun concealed OR unconcealed. I know that in counties with less than 200,000 persons, the permit must be for unconcealed carry only. So, with a CCW that was issued in a county that has millions of inhabitants, may I carry in the open and not be in violation of the relevant CCW laws?

By the way, I think Nevada is foolish for disallowing reciprocity to Utah and Florida CCW holders, but most especially to Florida CCW holders because they seem to have taken the action just because Florida now issues their permits for 7 years instead of 5. Nevada is being so petty. I hope they come to their senses and reinstate reciprocity for Florida.

[derringer]

Someone else will have to confirm or deny, but I read somewhere that in Nevada you can throw the handgun up on the dash in plain sight, and I think it can even be loaded.

[CCWInstructor]

Originally Posted by derringer

Someone else will have to confirm or deny, but I read somewhere that in Nevada you can throw the handgun up on the dash in plain sight, and I think it can even be loaded.

Gloved box loaded only, not the dash. You MUST notify the officer on a T-Stop.

[CCWInstructor]

Originally Posted by Feather

I have a permit to carry a concealed weapon (CCW). I read somewhere that I have the option of carrying a loaded gun concealed OR unconcealed. I know that in counties with less than 200,000 persons, the permit must be for unconcealed carry only. So, with a CCW that was issued in a county that has millions of inhabitants, may I carry in the open and not be in violation of the relevant CCW laws?

I'm not sure where you heard all this from. CCW means concealed, period.

[Truckoholic]

The law says that in a county with 200,000 persons or less, you may be able to get a permit to carry openly. But your concealed carry permit allows only concealed carry.

Now about Nevada, there is no need to lock your gun up. Nevada is an open carry state, and as long as the gun is not concealed upon your person within the vehicle you are driving, then it is okay. So basically all you have to do when you cross over the state line if you do not have a Nevada permit, is remove the gun from your concealed holster and put it under the seat, or even on the seat next to you is legal, but may lead to trouble if someone driving by see's it. But yeah, same goes for open carry. It's one of those things that is legal there, but you almost never see anyone do it, and because of that, people are not used to seeing it, and the cops will most likely be harrasing you about it. And Las Vegas seems to think they are special and get to make their own gun laws. I personally think everyone should start walking around open carrying again so that people get used to it and don't have such a cow about the sight of a gun. That's a huge part of what happened to this country. Gradually the practice of carrying a gun on your hip everywhere you went just kind of faded away back in the early 1900's or something, and now people get all weird about them.

[Tom98915]

Originally Posted by CCWInstructor

I'm not sure where you heard all this from. CCW means concealed, period.

+1

[mjones]

Originally Posted by CCWInstructor

I'm not sure where you heard all this from. CCW means concealed, period.

With all due respect CCWI, do you have a legal basis for your statement or would it be better to say that 'the ramifications make it not a good idea'?

Understandably, the devil is often in the details. I propose an example...
Fred has a CA CCW issued via LA Count SO.
There are no printed restrictions on Fred's rice paper.
Fred Carries a Loaded, Cocked & Locked 1911 Openly in a Belt Holster.
While carrying in that manner he walks from inside his house out to his car which is parked on the public street. His house is accross the street from a public school.

[spc]

He is busted. Concealed means concealed. In counties of less than 200,000 they can issue open carry permits. I am not sure if they would be valid outside of the issue county. To my knowledge they are very rare.

You can argue all you want, but concealed means just that.

spc

[spc]

Originally Posted by mjones

With all due respect CCWI, do you have a legal basis for your statement or would it be better to say that 'the ramifications make it not a good idea'?

Understandably, the devil is often in the details. I propose an example...
Fred has a CA CCW issued via LA Count SO.
There are no printed restrictions on Fred's rice paper.
Fred Carries a Loaded, Cocked & Locked 1911 Openly in a Belt Holster.
While carrying in that manner he walks from inside his house out to his car which is parked on the public street. His house is accross the street from a public school.

He is a SME and is sought after for legal opinions in courts all over.

spc

[Glock32]

Originally Posted by mjones

With all due respect CCWI, do you have a legal basis for your statement or would it be better to say that 'the ramifications make it not a good idea'?

Understandably, the devil is often in the details. I propose an example...
Fred has a CA CCW issued via LA Count SO.
There are no printed restrictions on Fred's rice paper.
Fred Carries a Loaded, Cocked & Locked 1911 Openly in a Belt Holster.
While carrying in that manner he walks from inside his house out to his car which is parked on the public street. His house is accross the street from a public school.

In California it takes one call and Fred will get his permit yanked. Simple as that.

A California CCW allows you to:

A. Carry a concealed firearm, and
B. Carry a loaded firearm in public.

Guess which one Fred just violated?

[G36 Steve]

Originally Posted by spc

He is busted. Concealed means concealed. In counties of less than 200,000 they can issue open carry permits. I am not sure if they would be valid outside of the issue county. No they are not.
spc

A county under 200K that issues a license to carry an exposed loaded weapon may do so and that license is vailid only in the issuing county.


12050. (a) (1) (A) The sheriff of a county, upon proof that the
person applying is of good moral character, that good cause exists
for the issuance, and that the person applying satisfies any one of
the conditions specified in subparagraph (D) and has completed a
course of training as described in subparagraph (E), may issue to
that person a license to carry a pistol, revolver, or other firearm
capable of being concealed upon the person in either one of the
following formats:
(i) A license to carry concealed a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person.
(ii) Where the population of the county is less than 200,000
persons according to the most recent federal decennial census, a
license to carry loaded and exposed in that county a pistol,
revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the
person.

(Further into 12050)

(4) (A) The licensee shall notify the licensing authority in
writing within 10 days of any change in the licensee's place of
residence.
(C) If the license is one to carry loaded and exposed a pistol,
revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the
person, the license shall be revoked immediately if the licensee
changes his or her place of residence to another county.

[spc]

Thank You G36 for the clarification, I knew there was more to the open carry permit but lacked the interest to investigate it,,,,, I carry CCW.

spc

[G36 Steve]

Originally Posted by Truckoholic

The law says that in a county with 200,000 persons or less, you may be able to get a permit to carry openly. But your concealed carry permit allows only concealed carry.

Now about Nevada, there is no need to lock your gun up. Nevada is an open carry state, and as long as the gun is not concealed upon your person within the vehicle you are driving, then it is okay. So basically all you have to do when you cross over the state line if you do not have a Nevada permit, is remove the gun from your concealed holster and put it under the seat, or even on the seat next to you is legal, but may lead to trouble if someone driving by see's it. But yeah, same goes for open carry. It's one of those things that is legal there, but you almost never see anyone do it, and because of that, people are not used to seeing it, and the cops will most likely be harrasing you about it. And Las Vegas seems to think they are special and get to make their own gun laws. I personally think everyone should start walking around open carrying again so that people get used to it and don't have such a cow about the sight of a gun. That's a huge part of what happened to this country. Gradually the practice of carrying a gun on your hip everywhere you went just kind of faded away back in the early 1900's or something, and now people get all weird about them.

North Las Vegas and a few other localities have tougher weapons laws. I'm not an expert on Nevada law but last time I was reading up on it loaded carry could cause you to become a test case in some locals.

From this website:Carry Concealed

Nevada has an open carry law that permits a person to carry a handgun in plain view, however, there are exceptions. For instance, Clark County requires you to have a registration to open carry, and you must carry your registration with you when you are carrying a gun. Some cities such as North Las Vegas and Boulder City have "deadly weapon" laws, and you could be cited or arrested if you pass through their jurisdictions with a firearm in your vehicle.

My advice is to do some research and perhaps put in a call to the State AJ's office.

[mjones]

Originally Posted by spc

He is a SME and is sought after for legal opinions in courts all over.

spc

All the better reason for him to answer...