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09-13-2009, 10:08 PM
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1st Encounter With LEO While Carrying
My family were invited by our friends to spend the weekend with them at their beach house in Cayucos. On Saturday night we decided to drive into Cambria and have dinner at The Main Street Grill. As we drove back to Cayucos just after 8:00 I was pulled over by a San Luis Obispo Sheriff's Deputy. Here is the play by play:
SD: Good evening. Do you know why I pulled you over? Me: Hello. Well, I know I wasn't speeding so I don't have a clue. SD: When you passed me it looked like your license plate was not properly lit. I had a closer look at it and it looks fine. Can I go ahead and get your drivers license? Me: Sure thing. (I hand him my license and ccw permit) SD: Have you been drinking tonight? Me: No sir. SD: What do you do for a living? Me: I'm a teacher. SD: (eyes widening) Do you work at a really rough school? Me: No sir. SD: Then why do you carry a concealed weapon? Me: My local sheriff felt I had a good reason and issued it to me. SD: What was the reason? (I don't have a problem with sharing my good cause so I explained it to him while he called in my DL number.) SD: You are carrying a .40 caliber? Me: Yes sir. SD: Is it on you right now? Me: Yes sir. SD: Where is it? Me: On my right hip. (at this point the dispatcher lets him know that I am not wanted for mass murder and he hands me my ID and permit) SD: Again, I pulled you over because it looked like your license plate was not lit up. Me: Should I get it checked out? SD: No, no. It seems fine. Have a good night and thank you for informing me that you were carrying a firearm. Me: No problem. Good night. Once we got back to the beach house we all had a look at my license plate. Both bulbs were fully lit so I think he was doing a little fishing in an area known for people who partake a little too much at the local wineries. But, if he nabs a drunk driver who might have slammed into me head on later that night I have no problem with a little fishing.
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09-14-2009, 10:42 AM
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37 views w/o replies???
You did very well Kungfuman. I would have had a problem with him doing his "fishing," though. It should be upsetting to us all when LEOs overstep and abuse their power for any reason. I, too, think drunk driving is a hideous epidemic in our country and all measures should be taken to get them off the road. My wife and I were discussing this the other night and it was my thought that they should let all the inmates out who are serving sentences for drug possession to make room for the DUIs. Lock them up and throw away the key is what I say. But to pull over innocent citizens to do some fishing is not the way to get it done.
Also, don't like to share my GC with ANYONE. I have only had one encounter with LE and that was at the courthouse. A deputy there asked about my GC and I sidestepped the question. Anyhow, you did well and kept your cool and got home safely. After all, that is our end goal, right?...to get home safely??
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You never really NEED a gun until you REALLY need a gun...W. E. B. Griffin. When I carry a gun, I don’t do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I’m looking to be left alone...Marko Kloos
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09-14-2009, 10:44 AM
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Well done. Congrats.
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"Let your gun be your constant companion on all your walks." Jefferson "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." The Dalai Lama "Gun bans don't disarm criminals, gun bans attract them." Walter Mondale, VP "Gun control? It's the best thing you can do for crooks and gangsters. I want you to have nothing." Sammy "The Bull" Gravano "A system of licensing and registration is the perfect device to deny gun ownership to the bourgeoisie." Lenin, Creator of the USSR "The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms." Hitler "To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them." George Mason, Father of the Bill of Rights "I would rather have India resort to arms in order to defend her honor than that she should in a cowardly manner become or remain a helpless witness to her own dishonor." Gandhi The right of citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government." Hubert H Humphrey, VP "Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life." John F Kennedy "Ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the state." Heinrich Himmler, Head of Nazi SS "Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy." George Orwell "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in their government." Jefferson "He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one." Luke 22:36
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09-14-2009, 11:49 AM
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Well Done !
I'm grateful to all who have posted RE: Leo contacts. As much as I try to not have any contact your situation shows that despite doing everything right, you still had to deal with it. This helps all members to know what to do.
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09-14-2009, 12:29 PM
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Nicely done....
I stopped my self when carrying the other day.... Catboy: what do you think your doing self: carrying my gun... ummm Duh... Catboy: not point...where your spare magazines... self: Dooh... left 'em on dresser... Catboy: Now you have to pull a stupid card... self: how about if I turn around and drive home and get them... Catboy: that would be acceptably humble...still have to pull stupid card and get it punched... self: OK... I'll slime home now and get extra ammo... Catboy: see to it and don't get a ticket when doing it. The End
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09-14-2009, 01:40 PM
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You did a great job of handling the fishing stop. They need an reason to pull folks over, the reason he gave was less than up front. You should have told him your issuing agency does not want you drinking while CCW.
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09-14-2009, 02:21 PM
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Had it been me I would have walked to the rear of my car, looked at the license plate light, and said, "Nice try. Want to try for the toaster oven?" But then I always have been something of a smart ***.
I got pulled over by a CHP trooper a little while ago after passing a slow truck. The CHP trooper said I passed in a NO PASSING zone. I told him the passing zone started about 10 feet before I pulled out to pass. He said I was wrong and the entire section, all the way back to the cross road, was NO PASSING. I just looked at him and said, "Let's go back and look." He shook his head, said, "Never mind" and I went on my way. The next day I stopped at a local eatery for lunch and the CHP trooper was sitting there eating and doing some paperwork. He recognized me, motioned me to come over, and said, "I went back and looked. You were right. I had already run your license, but it had not come back when I told you to leave. When it did come back it came back with a 'confidentiality on file, SDSO.' Why didn't you tell me you were a deputy?" I told him it didn't make any difference. Right is right!  Right is right. We might forgive the guy in your case for stretching the probable cause for the stop, but right is still right! He needs to know there are people out there who will not put up with unconstitutional stops! If he expects us to obey the rules he has to be willing to do so also!
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09-14-2009, 02:52 PM
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Unconstitutional Stop
The officer stated that he stopped you because of your license plate light. The second the officer stated that your license plate light was okay, he had no reason to ask for your license and registration because the stop was unwarranted and you should not have been detained any further. Requiring you to show him your license and registration was a violation of your rights. I feel you should have declined to show him and asked if you were free to go. If he declined to let you leave, he would be in violation of Title 42 U.S. Code Section 1983 (federal Civil Rights law). I believe in standing up for one's rights; otherwise, they slowly get eroded and officers (and others) start taking them away. I don't want to give up any of my rights or liberties. There are too many Americans who gave up their lives so that I (and you) can have the freedoms and liberties that all Americans enjoy. Such things must be vigilantly protected.
You probably just wanted to cooperate and be a nice guy. I would have stood up for my rights.
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09-14-2009, 04:11 PM
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Nicely handled Kungfuman! Sure your rights may have been stepped on a little by a deputy on a fishing expedition. But, considering SLO Co.'s reputation of "come on vacation...leave on probation", us valley folks tread lightly over there.
 Disclaimer: I mean no offense to any members who reside in San Luis Obispo County.
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09-14-2009, 04:17 PM
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09-14-2009, 04:46 PM
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09-14-2009, 08:41 PM
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A question - I'm not sure what the big deal is about telling a cop in vauge terms why you have a CCW - "I had some threats, I have a job that requires me to carry expensive stuff, my Sheriff issues for personal protection" etc???
It seems to me that if you're stubborn about it - which of course you have every right to be - that you've just given a bad impression about non-LEO CCW holders from whatever jurisdiction you live in - if not all of them. I'm not saying you restate your good cause like you did during your interview - just in vauge terms - chances are the cop's just trying to figure out how to get his wife, mom, daughter, dad, etc a CCW. Thoughts?
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09-14-2009, 09:13 PM
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Good job with handling it!
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"The more we sweat in practice, the less we bleed in battle." -Chinese Proverb "Slow is smooth, and smooth is fast." -Wilderness Tactical
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09-15-2009, 01:44 AM
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Give the basic reason ("my issuing agency believes that I have sufficient cause" or whatever you feel appropriate); If the officer asks "what specifically" then tell the officer that your good cause is on file with (name of your agency) and he can request to review it if he feel it's necessary; Other than that, shut up! ANY other questioning is fishing by the officer and you have a right to refuse to answer. If he gives you a citation, so be it. If he contacts your sheriff with a bad report of the incident, then deal with that at that time in the appropriate manner. Last I heard, refusing to answer fishing expedition questions during a traffic stop is not a permit revocable offense. And, if you get called on the carpet for it by your local agency, then a simple explanation about how the officer was overstepping should clear it up.
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09-15-2009, 06:56 AM
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When asked why I have a carry license I reply "It is a requirement of my employment."
If asked "What do you do?" I reply, "I am not at liberty to discuss that subject." That usually ends the Q&A.
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