First encounter with CHP

[Tom98915]

Just my 2 cents here...I know you felt wronged by the LEO, but the name calling can come back to haunt you if the LEO who ticketed you reads this forum also and puts 2 and 2 together. After all, this is a PUBLIC forum.

Just a thought...

[Fjold]

Originally Posted by Quietpi

Here's the dicey little problem with handing a LEO your DL and rice paper at the same time: When I first went through training, it was common practice in some states, particularly Illinois, and cities, double particularly Chicago, to keep a $20 bill paper clipped to your DL. The officer would take your license, etc, and after "inspecting" it, return the license, tell you to slow down, and have a good day. Chicagoans, having no clue that the rest of the country wasn't as corrupt as their city, would repeat the drill wherever they went. It never happened to me, but it did happen to some of my cohorts. Our procedure, normally, was to hand it back, and say, "just the license please." That's why, to this day, the LEO will have you take your license out of the wallet, etc. before s/he will touch it.

Personally, I would not touch anything but the license. While I never encountered a CCW either, I don't think I would have taken it until it was explained to me, to some extent, and I could see clearly that it wasn't a bill, or a business card, etc.

I'm not saying that turning over the rice paper along with the DL is a bad idea. There's just this little factoid that complicates things.

You're the 4th officer that I have heard say the same thing. Basically hand over the license and tell me that you have a permit.

[G36 Steve]

His "attitude" was probably because you did not let him know about your CCW status FIRST. You were retrieving and discussing your vehicle registration instead.

If you would have had your DL and CCW at the ready when stopped and then, while handing them to the LEO say something like, "my issuing agency requires me to show you my CCW along with my Drivers License", I think you may have had a different experience.

[Tachman]

Originally Posted by Quietpi

Here's the dicey little problem with handing a LEO your DL and rice paper at the same time: When I first went through training, it was common practice in some states, particularly Illinois, and cities, double particularly Chicago, to keep a $20 bill paper clipped to your DL. The officer would take your license, etc, and after "inspecting" it, return the license, tell you to slow down, and have a good day. Chicagoans, having no clue that the rest of the country wasn't as corrupt as their city, would repeat the drill wherever they went. It never happened to me, but it did happen to some of my cohorts. Our procedure, normally, was to hand it back, and say, "just the license please." That's why, to this day, the LEO will have you take your license out of the wallet, etc. before s/he will touch it.

Personally, I would not touch anything but the license. While I never encountered a CCW either, I don't think I would have taken it until it was explained to me, to some extent, and I could see clearly that it wasn't a bill, or a business card, etc.

I'm not saying that turning over the rice paper along with the DL is a bad idea. There's just this little factoid that complicates things.

When I was in IL in the 70's you had to have a $20 on you if you were out of state not for a bribe but it was required as a bond. Either you gave up your IL DL or give them the $20 so you would show up for the court date.

[X-ffdo]

When I became a check pilot, the manual stated to check the ego at the door!
Some have it, some don't!
Yo in a heap of trouble, boy!!! Patrolman Joe in the state of florida!

[OIS]

If it's a night pull over, the LEOs like it when you turn on the interior lights and open the glove box, roll down your window, put on your hazard lights, and put your hands on top of the steering wheel.

Gee, sometimes they will be so grateful they will just give you a warning...Sometimes.

[G36 Steve]

Originally Posted by OIS

If it's a night pull over, the LEOs like it when you turn on the interior lights and open the glove box, roll down your window, put on your hazard lights, and put your hands on top of the steering wheel.

Gee, sometimes they will be so grateful they will just give you a warning...Sometimes.

I'm OK with most of what you're saying except for opening the glove box. You can do everything else while pulling over and without making any furtive movements. Once you start reaching around, I start to wonder what exactly you're reaching for. I'm asking myself, are you hiding something? Are you arming yourself? When I go on high alert I may seem like I have a little attitude.

People don't get their registration renewed for a verity of reasons. Some people have warrants. Some are very bad people. The LEO who's stopping you has no idea you simply "forgot" to put your tags on until confirmation. They don't know you're a good person until they convince themselves of it. Some LEOs take more convincing than others especially when put on high alert.

Food for thought.

[CA PI]

I'm not a big fan of handing over my CCW with my Driver's License. I will give a detailed explanation why when I get the chance, soon.

[Rob P.]

Originally Posted by Tom98915

Just my 2 cents here...I know you felt wronged by the LEO, but the name calling can come back to haunt you if the LEO who ticketed you reads this forum also and puts 2 and 2 together. After all, this is a PUBLIC forum.

Just a thought...

IMO, any officer who would "put 2 and 2 together" about name calling and then act in any manner whatsoever as a result should turn in his badge.

PROFESSIONAL means just that.

[OIS]

Originally Posted by G36 Steve

I'm OK with most of what you're saying except for opening the glove box. You can do everything else while pulling over and without making any furtive movements. Once you start reaching around, I start to wonder what exactly you're reaching for. I'm asking myself, are you hiding something? Are you arming yourself? When I go on high alert I may seem like I have a little attitude.

People don't get their registration renewed for a verity of reasons. Some people have warrants. Some are very bad people. The LEO who's stopping you has no idea you simply "forgot" to put your tags on until confirmation. They don't know you're a good person until they convince themselves of it. Some LEOs take more convincing than others especially when put on high alert.

Food for thought.

Look at it this way: You light him or her up. The hazard lights go on, the interior lights go on, you can see the movement possibly toward the glove box which may or may not contain a weapon, the vehicle stops, from inside your vehicle you see both hands on the steering wheel. Any movement from within by the driver and or occupants, including going for a wallet or purse should of course be viewed with caution.

Thus, approach with caution, and take your time. The suggested driver protocol is sort of like having a suspect aircraft lower its landing gear to indicate they wish to comply. But this comment digresses from the purpose of the room. End of subject.

[Dan M.]

Windows down, wallet and keys on the dash, dome light on if it's dark, hands on the wheel. Everything else, wait to be instructed.

[ttsail]

Originally Posted by Dan M.

Windows down, wallet and keys on the dash, dome light on if it's dark, hands on the wheel. Everything else, wait to be instructed.

I agree, and to add to that I keep the registration and insurance clipped to the sun visor in all my vehicles, makes it easier to keep the hands in plain view after informing.

[Ken_In_Colo]

You can probably get that no insurance ticket tossed if you go down to the court house w/this year's proof of ins. I think it's that way in every state; I know it is in Colo & Ariz.

[Quietpi]

I would interpret any move toward the glove box to be furtive movement. Among other things, I would consider it sufficient PC to look in the glove box.

When I got to the vehicle, and saw the glove box open, I would immediately become curious regarding what you just took out of the glove box.

[EM2]

I never reach for anything when stopped. Once I needed to get my registration & insurance out of my glove box so I asked the officer if it was OK and while I did so he used it as an opportunity to look inside the glove box and under my seat. Yes I had my door open and needed to reach across the seat. The officer had taken soooooo long running my plates (presumably due to the pro 2nd amendment stickers I use to exercise my 1st amendment rights located on my tool box) that I actually got out of my truck and stood along side to try and get the officer to come over. He did see a large piece of aluminum wire under my seat however and asked that I not touch it while he wrote me up. The officer asked my probably 3 times if I had a firearm in my truck to which I responded NO I am not allowed to have firearms at my place of employment which was where I was headed. I also did not have a CCW at the time so could not carry one anyway. I was relieved that he did not try to search my truck anyway.