Coyote Attack - Page 3

Tom98915 · #31 (**permalink**) 05-01-2009, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by 1buba

I know there is a law that covers dogs harrasing livestock - it IS legal to shoot the dog. I wonder if the wording would cover a 'yote vs the family pet. I have no idea i only knew the specific part i needed to know when i wa running $5k a head plus angus.

I heard from a couple farmers I know that the law covers ALL animals molesting or killing livestock. You should look on Google for that law to be sure. One good place to ask is Department of Fish & Game.

G36 Steve · #32 (**permalink**) 05-01-2009, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom98915

I heard from a couple farmers I know that the law covers ALL animals molesting or killing livestock. You should look on Google for that law to be sure. One good place to ask is Department of Fish & Game.

Apples and oranges. Protecting your livestock and shooting a coyote to protect your dog especially within the city limits are not the same.

In rural areas, where most folks keep their livestock, Law Enforcement Officers probably would not consider shooting a coyote "discharging a firearm in a grossly negligent manner " (PC 246.3). However, lets all remember this discussion thread took place in a city within Orange County. City cops think differently and so do prosecutors than those who live and work in rural communities.

I repeat one last time, it would be against the law to shoot (even with a pellet gun) a coyote under the circumstance OCRancher described unless his life or another human life was in danger.

**Harry Carry** · #33 (**permalink**) 05-01-2009, 10:17 AM

I went out to get my dog away from the coyote and the coyote came at me. End of coyote.

hotwls13 · #34 (**permalink**) 05-01-2009, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Harry Carry

I went out to get my dog away from the coyote and the coyote came at me. End of coyote.

BINGO!!

G36 Steve · #35 (**permalink**) 05-01-2009, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Harry Carry

I went out to get my dog away from the coyote and the coyote came at me. End of coyote.

Tom98915 · #36 (**permalink**) 05-01-2009, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by moondog

599c PC should cover protecting your dog (property). Per DFG, you do not need a hunting license or be in hunting area to defend yourself or property from attack.

DFG code 4807 allows for the taking of a Mtn lion to protect, among other things, one's property (the dog). This code is also used to issue depredation permits for other bothersome animals.

Per DFG, they have no problem with the protection of one's property vs just a human.

This info is in summary from a DFG response to the question of taking an attacking animal to protect one's property.

Any attorneys out there that can chime in?

Let us not forget the case of Marshall Jones Sr of Redding. his neighbor's unruly dog allegedly attacked and Marshall shot the dog with his 45. The neighbor wanted to sue but the cops saw it as a clear cut case of self defense and no charges were made (I think he lives in the city limits too). I forget the details but it was in the Redding newspaper late last year.

G36 Steve · #37 (**permalink**) 05-01-2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom98915

Let us not forget the case of Marshall Jones Sr of Redding. his neighbor's unruly dog allegedly attacked and Marshall shot the dog with his 45. The neighbor wanted to sue but the cops saw it as a clear cut case of self defense and no charges were made (I think he lives in the city limits too). I forget the details but it was in the Redding newspaper late last year.

He felt threatened.
Neighbor shoots dog in Redding
By Constance Dillon
Monday, December 15, 2008

A dog was shot by a neighbor with a .45-caliber handgun Sunday morning outside a residence on Oxford Road near East Cypress Avenue in Redding, police said.

Marshall Jones Sr., 73, told officers that he felt threatened by what he called a vicious pit bull that came into his yard and he shot the animal, police Sgt. Eric Niver said.

Police think Marshall Jones Sr. was within his rights in protecting himself when he shot the dog, Niver said.

"In general it is illegal to shoot a gun within the city limits," Niver said. "But you can do it lawfully."

Tom98915 · #38 (**permalink**) 05-01-2009, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by G30 Steve

He felt threatened.
Neighbor shoots dog in Redding

Thanks for finding that. That was what I was referring to.

**OCResident** · #39 (**permalink**) 05-01-2009, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Harry Carry

I went out to get my dog away from the coyote and the coyote came at me. End of coyote.

My thoughts exactly. Had he not turned tail right before I opened the door that quite possibly could have been the case.

This is in an urban neighborhood in Orange County. Despite no neighbors to the rear, and a block wall - I'm not going out of my way to shoot one in my back yard. That being said, the last few potty trips anywhere near nightfall have included a sidearm and a flashlight.

After talking to my neighbor, who was actually approached by what sounds like the same large one while walking his two English Mastiffs

, I'm considering contacting the city to push them to 'thin the herd' a bit - which from what I've been reading goes a long way towards giving them back the healthy fear of humans that it appears they've lost.

I'm going to research it, but I'm not sure I buy pepper spray as a viable defense - they're much faster than a dog, and I have doubts that pepper spray would deter them too much until after they're done with their mission - however I'm willing to be wrong and will look into it. It's really too bad that batons are illegal for civilians. A collapsable ASP would be perfect for this type of threat.

The vet visit confirmed no visible wounds, but we have to keep him confined for 10 days just in case. I'm told by the vet that he's still too young by a couple weeks to get his rabies vaccine, and that it wouldn't help now anyways

, so I think he dodged a major bullet. Might have had to put him down had the coyote broken skin.

Thinking of renaming him "lucky"

**OCResident** · #40 (**permalink**) 05-01-2009, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by True Brit

I have a choice of rabbits or coyotes...since rabbits do the damage to my lawn I chose coyotes. It's sort of like having a dog but not having to walk it.

I do not condone coyotes chewing on pets but dogs need to be bigger than cats and I hope that soon yours will be a closer in size to the coyotes and therefore will not be bothered by them. Glad you got there in time.

They come in pup size also and are so darn cute.

Yes, they're very cute as pups. Not so much as adults trying to eat your dog, then eyeing you as standing in between them and their meal.

And yes, yet another reason to not get a Paris Hilton dog - as if any more reasons were needed. The dog taken from my neighborhood a couple months ago was apparently a 3 pounder.

On an almost funny note, my lab/cocker puppy's first meet with another dog post-littermates was at the vet (before the coyote) - some lady let her Paris Hilton dog out of her purse, and it chased him around the vet waiting room before I could grab him. While it was almost a little comical, it was kind of like letting a midget chase your 4 year old child around. I hate those little dogs.

Let's hope you don't run out of rabbits