Taser if no CCW?

[sky]

Since I live in a county with little chance of getting a CCW, then I'm thinking of an alternative of a taser.

Yes, I know they aren't as good as a handgun, or that you only get one shot, etc. but if you can't CCW then about the only other choice is pepper spray.

Pepper spray is ok and I carry it now but it also has a lot of limitations like problems if there is any wind etc.

So is anyone else who can't carry considering this?

I'm considering their new model the C2. I won't spend almost a thousand for the X26 but I probably would spend $350 for model with a laser sight.

TASER C2

the usual response on gun boards to this kind of question is a bunch of comments about how they aren't as effective as guns, move out of Calif or into a better county, or that you should carry a knife and get 5 years of super ninja training to be able to slice and dice the bad guy.

In a perfect world everyone would be a black belt in hand to hand, edge weapons, force on force firearm training to protect themselves and love ones in any situation. But in the real word that isn't going to happen especially if you are in your 50's.

Of course Tasers aren't as effective as guns, but if you don't like this model or have any reason why you think is a bad idea please explain why it's not a viable option if you can't carry.

Thanks

[rycerz]

that is definately a good approach as something is better then nothing. Also I do know that some folks (at least I heard discussions to that effect) that do carry taser or some really potent pepper spray so that in case they feel in danger they have a less then lethal option left to them.

[CCWInstructor]

I am a Taser certified instructor. My reply to your question is..... no comment!

[sky]

Originally Posted by rycerz

that is definately a good approach as something is better then nothing. Also I do know that some folks (at least I heard discussions to that effect) that do carry taser or some really potent pepper spray so that in case they feel in danger they have a less then lethal option left to them.

I would still carry pepper spray and try to get some Tasar training if I could find it in my area.

[Limo LA]

I posted on other thread about Taser on this Forum.

http://www.calccw.com/Forums/ccw-acc...06-tasers.html

That was what I feel and If I can take class in my area (I live west Valley and most of time I work on west side of LA) it looks too far to CCWI which I prefer)

I carry M-18 (Civilian version) with No laser.
C2 was not existed when I bought M18.
M18 (M26) is tooooo Bulky. (But not heavy)

Most I like about Taser is
* It's still not yet restricted lethal item.
I can carry concealed or openly at anywhere even airport (I wouldn't go inside commercial airline terminal with Taser but I always go FBO for private and charter airplanes)

* Also it is less regulation and categorized as NON-lethal weapon.
I usually deal with NON life threatening self defence incident.
Most of time, drunk people on public street or alley.

One night, I was at popular club on Hollywood.
When my client called me to pick them up (Movie director, nobody knows his face) two guys followed and talking to him from club.
My client stop before he enter my limo and said to them " I don't know what you are talking about !"
One of guy grabbed my client's cloth and shaken him.
I had to stop the guy and said "I don't know what's going on and I have nothing to do with you if you just talk to him. but I have to stop you if you do physical contact"
Other guy joined to scramble. Now I had to deal with two guys(Both them are bigger than me)
I was armed openly with Security badge.
Those guys are violating PC(misdemeanor) but not life threatening danger, yet.
Those guys had no weapons (T-shirt and Polo shirt unless they have belly holster)
I left my Taser at my driver seat (too far from back side of limo).
If I had baton (side-Handle or extended), I can use them as restraining tool (I have black belt for Kendo:sword fight: but I was trained to use them as self defence and restraining people) I also left my batons at driver seat that moment.

All I had was 9mm and Tear gas (2oz) on my belt.
There were more than 20 people around us.
I was thinking if I use tear gas with those bunch of bystanders, I might get sued.
But I took it, because it was only defencive tool I thought I could use that moment.
Somehow, I managed two guys and push my clients in my limo and took off.

If I'm a regular security officer, I could wear all the gear I want on duty belt.
But I'm almost plain cloth (try to meet minimum requirement for B&P code) suites and tie.
Tools (weapons) I can carry on my body is limited.
I always try to think wise to choose "Firearm or Taser ?" depend on whom I would be with and where we go.
But still not sure everytime.
(I always carry tear gas on my belt because it so small and don't bother me to carry at all)

[sky]

Limo I can see how a taser could be helpful to you.

[X-ffdo]

I was sent away to take a day's training with those things.....after that I was never issued one. It just faded away, never to be heard of......

[Justaguy]

I know a fair number of LEOs.
I'm counting the number of LEO spouses who carry a Taser...

Let's see... um....

I think that's a total of:

ZERO!

That should tell ya' sumpin'...

[Limo LA]

Originally Posted by Justaguy

I know a fair number of LEOs.
I'm counting the number of LEO spouses who carry a Taser...

Let's see... um....

I think that's a total of:

ZERO!

That should tell ya' sumpin'...

Does this mean Tear gas (CN or pepper) and Baton are more effective ?
Because I see almost every LEO carry Baton and Tear gas (4oz) bisides Firearm.

I should think twice when I think I shold bring my Taser.
It's too bulky anyway.
I don't want to use baton, so maybe I shold stay with Tear gas (pepper).

[X-ffdo]

I am not a cop. Tear gas or pepper is used usually in conjuction with other means to subdue an individual in the process of forcing compliance during resisting arrest. I do not know that it would have a significant effect in and of itself, in stopping an individual who is drugged and in a hyper state.

[hbliam]

Originally Posted by Limo LA

Does this mean Tear gas (CN or pepper) and Baton are more effective ?
Because I see almost every LEO carry Baton and Tear gas (4oz) bisides Firearm.

Per policy LEO's carry what they are issued. In four years I have never taken my pepper spray out of the holder on my belt.

The baton is a great weapon.

[CCWInstructor]

A baton is for a LEO or on-duty with the proper BSIS permitsonly. Otherwise you will land you in Jail, then probably prison. It's a felony. CN and CS are LEO only. Civy pepperspray is watered down LEO Spray. LEO spray has a 75% sucess rate in the field.

[Limo LA]

Originally Posted by CCWInstructor

A baton is for a LEO or on-duty with the proper BSIS permitsonly. Otherwise you will land you in Jail, then probably prison. It's a felony. CN and CS are LEO only. Civy pepperspray is watered down LEO Spray. LEO spray has a 75% sucess rate in the field.

I have BSIS Baton permit (All type) and I keep letter from BSIS in my limo.
it says I'm considered as on-Duty and scope of duty as limousine company's proprietary security to protect passengers and company's property with proper permits and registration.
But I'm more worry about facing to "excess use of force" for both civil and criminal after I use it.

And I'm glad you told me CN and CS was banned.
When I get my Tear gas permit (1989), pepper spray was not popular yet and my permit was for CN and CS (at least that time).
I will check all of my tear gas and if any of it contain CN or CS, I'm gonna throw it away.
If it newly purchase, it doesn't contain CN or CS ?
(I know it's depend on where I bought it. I will check them anyway)

Thank you for information.

[rdhays2000]

I'm a supervisor for a security company in San Bernardino. I have all my permits and my permit says right on it that I have passed a course in CN, OC & CS concepts in compliance with POST. So From that and what I have been told by my instructors when I went through my training 7 years ago that as Security officers we can carry on duty and in the scope of our duties what LEO's carry. But I will talk to one of my instructors first chance I get to verify about that. It may have changed in the past 7 years. But in 2000 I was told we could carry what LEO's carry on duty and in the scope of our duties, as long as we have the training and valid permits issued by BSIS.

[CCWInstructor]

They laws have changed. Read POST Learning Domain #35 "Chemical Agents"

Security can not carry the same as LEO's anymore.