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Old 03-26-2008, 11:29 PM
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Speaking as a law enforcement type .... I can't seem to arrest people for possession of the high cap. ammo feedin' device... this is Kern Co. and they interpret the law as being un-enforceable (spelling?)... they won't file on it.. been there...done that...got the arrest form...

so educate me as to why I have to proove that I had the mag before the ban? Wouldn't that be guilty until proven innocent..? instead of innocent until proven guilty?

I gave all of my kids my "super evil" hi cap. magazines the day before the ban went into place...legally I could just hand it to them ... and did... and they gave them back to me the next day for safe keeping as they were all minors and they couldn't possess...not own...possess them the next day... now as they become adults... IM GIVEN THEM THEIR FREAKIN MAGS BACK..... I hope I wasn't unclear about that...?

I can't legally endanger/kill myself in california by riding a motorcycle without a helmet... but I still have my consitutional rights to my property and so do my children... the govt. can take my hi caps but they have to compensate me for them... no problem....
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You are looking at it from a reasonable LEO's point of view, in a County that is for the most part Pro 2nd Am. In L.A county you get a rookie cop trying to prove something and an overzealous DA, you will get charges filed. But you are correct, I see no problem with having the Hi Cap mags, I have lots of them that I have had way before the ban took place, but now if you have a newer gun that wasn't even around when the ban took effect, you have a problem.
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Speaking as a law enforcement type .... I can't seem to arrest people for possession of the high cap. ammo feedin' device... this is Kern Co. and they interpret the law as being un-enforceable (spelling?)... they won't file on it.. been there...done that...got the arrest form...

so educate me as to why I have to proove that I had the mag before the ban? Wouldn't that be guilty until proven innocent..? instead of innocent until proven guilty?

I gave all of my kids my "super evil" hi cap. magazines the day before the ban went into place...legally I could just hand it to them ... and did... and they gave them back to me the next day for safe keeping as they were all minors and they couldn't possess...not own...possess them the next day... now as they become adults... IM GIVEN THEM THEIR FREAKIN MAGS BACK..... I hope I wasn't unclear about that...?

I can't legally endanger/kill myself in california by riding a motorcycle without a helmet... but I still have my consitutional rights to my property and so do my children... the govt. can take my hi caps but they have to compensate me for them... no problem....
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El Gato,

You are looking at it from a reasonable LEO's point of view, in a County that is for the most part Pro 2nd Am. In L.A county you get a rookie cop trying to prove something and an overzealous DA, you will get charges filed. But you are correct, I see no problem with having the Hi Cap mags, I have lots of them that I have had way before the ban took place, but now if you have a newer gun that wasn't even around when the ban took effect, you have a problem.
I think the bigger issue (which has already been mentioned) is not "what will the LEO do?" but "What will the lawyer do should you have to defend yourself in court after a self-defense shooting?" If you are carrying full cap mags, a lawyer could have a field day at trial.
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Old 03-26-2008, 11:53 PM
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I think the bigger issue (which has already been mentioned) is not "what will the LEO do?" but "What will the lawyer do should you have to defend yourself in court after a self-defense shooting?" If you are carrying full cap mags, a lawyer could have a field day at trial.
I'm in the process with my County and one of my guns has a 15 round mag. I plan on carrying it and don't have any worries about it. You are either within you rights to use deadly force or not. The chances of using all 15 rounds are slim but you never know and its a legal weapon under the law. Being involed in a shooting is going to be a legal matter that will require good legal defense anyway and I am a firm believer in having a good umbrella policy for liability. I as a business owner know the the importance of this and I recommend everyone get one including LEO's, it's cheap and well worth it. In this litigious society you never know when you will need it.
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Old 03-29-2008, 11:41 AM
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Thank you for ALL of your input.

My original question had to do with carrying old HC mags in a newer gun on my CCW. Same make/model just newer.

My old gun that came with HC mags, and which I purchased additional HC mags for has several thousands of rounds through it and is starting to show its age with the occasional misfire. I own 2 of the same gun, and chose to put the newer one on my permit because it has just over 600 rounds through it and has been 100% reliable.

I know I really should have the older gun reworked, but I am really curious how much more it will go before it just becomes unrealistic to go further. I am truly impressed with the longevity of Glock pistols! According to my log, I am just a few more training classes away from 25,000 rounds through it. And, I have been told that is not the record by any means.

Thanks again!
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Thank you for ALL of your input.

My original question had to do with carrying old HC mags in a newer gun on my CCW. Same make/model just newer.

What a roll I'm on with you tonight. No, it not legal PER PENAL CODE!
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What a roll I'm on with you tonight. No, it not legal PER PENAL CODE!
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Last year I asked Ca DOJ Firearms Unit the folloing question

"Prior to the pasage of the 1994 federal restriction and the California law, I purchased a number of large capacity magazines for my departmental issue firearm. I recently retired and purchased my departmental issue firearm. Is it still legal for me to own the high capacity magazines"

Here's Ca DOJ Firearms Unit's response "Continued possession of lawfully acquired large-capacity magazines in not prohibited by CA law."
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Old 03-31-2008, 08:32 AM
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Yep, it's completely legal. However, it might not be prudent in a carry weapon.

It was completely legal for Harold Fish to carry a 10mm loaded with hollowpoints, but both of those were used in the case against him to prove malicious intent. He spent $500,000 in legal fees and was sentenced to 10 years in prison.

I do seriously hope it works out for you ok, and most of us will never have the need to use our carry firearm. But the risk of carrying an extra 3 or 4 bullets vs. the possible repercussions is something only you can judge.
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Last year I asked Ca DOJ Firearms Unit the folloing question

"Prior to the pasage of the 1994 federal restriction and the California law, I purchased a number of large capacity magazines for my departmental issue firearm. I recently retired and purchased my departmental issue firearm. Is it still legal for me to own the high capacity magazines"

Here's Ca DOJ Firearms Unit's response "Continued possession of lawfully acquired large-capacity magazines in not prohibited by CA law."
You ALL need to be aware that at the time he had a legal high cap gun and bought his high cap magazines. Being a LEO all of his transactions were lawful.
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I got that part. I meant "Perfectly legal to continue to own hi-cap magazines which were lawfully acquired."
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I think the bigger issue (which has already been mentioned) is not "what will the LEO do?" but "What will the lawyer do should you have to defend yourself in court after a self-defense shooting?" If you are carrying full cap mags, a lawyer could have a field day at trial.
Kinda like when they find out you were carrying 2 or 3 extra "limited cap" mags? Only LEO's should even have or own a gun anyway. Right?

I'm saddened that in the 8 years since the ban, so many people are now believing this crap that "high cap" mags have always been and always be the worst thing that one could have!

It wasn't that long ago that no one thought twice about a high cap mag being anything but normal and ordinary.

If you are carrying a gun, a high cap mag is the least of your worries/responsibilities!
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Kinda like when they find out you were carrying 2 or 3 extra "limited cap" mags? Only LEO's should even have or own a gun anyway. Right?

I'm saddened that in the 8 years since the ban, so many people are now believing this crap that "high cap" mags have always been and always be the worst thing that one could have!

It wasn't that long ago that no one thought twice about a high cap mag being anything but normal and ordinary.

If you are carrying a gun, a high cap mag is the least of your worries/responsibilities!
I must be missing your point. IF I am involved in a self defense shooting, I want to make SURE that everything I have done upto, during, and after, meets EVERY aspect of the law. WHETHER I LIKE or AGREE with the law or not. Why would abiding with the current law be the least of your "worries/responsibilities"?
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Kinda like when they find out you were carrying 2 or 3 extra "limited cap" mags? Only LEO's should even have or own a gun anyway. Right?

I'm saddened that in the 8 years since the ban, so many people are now believing this crap that "high cap" mags have always been and always be the worst thing that one could have!

It wasn't that long ago that no one thought twice about a high cap mag being anything but normal and ordinary.

If you are carrying a gun, a high cap mag is the least of your worries/responsibilities!



If thats your attitude, why bother with a CCW at all?

Its only a misdemeanor to carry a gun if you don't have one.... Same as possessing an illegal high-cap magazine.
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A post so Nice I said it twice...
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