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Old 01-20-2008, 08:20 PM
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I guess I wasn't finished... thank you for your patience....

Combat Hanguns magazine...
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Read: "Self-Defense and the Law, Beating the Rambo Rap, when spare ammo is justified, 9 case reports....

Make your own decision and be happy...
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Old 01-21-2008, 08:26 AM
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i am sick of hearing "high cap' mags, it should be "low cap" as the rest of the country has the normal cap mags, ca and some citys out side of ca have limited the pop from having normal cap mag, and allows only a redused cap mag.



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Old 01-21-2008, 07:02 PM
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I like to refer to them as 'Full Capacity magazines'.

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Old 01-21-2008, 08:52 PM
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What?
Not "high capacity ammunition feeding devices"... ?
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---rant---

i am sick of hearing "high cap' mags, it should be "low cap" as the rest of the country has the normal cap mags, ca and some citys out side of ca have limited the pop from having normal cap mag, and allows only a redused cap mag.
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CA gun rights do indeed seem to be dictated by urban center populations.
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Old 02-07-2008, 12:37 AM
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Gentlemen,

The passion I see in these replies is incredible. I take my hat off to all of you. I am not an attorney. I am a working stiff that carries daily. I am in complete agreement with all of you in regards to mag capacity. But the law is the law. It is what is. We can debate all day long, but when all is said and done, it will be left in the hands of twelve individuals to decide the outcome.

I understand not wanting to carry anything extra when its hot outside. But at heart, I'm a Boy Scout. Being prepared for any and all contingencies, is not an option, its a must. I personally would never imagine seeing myself carrying without at least one extra mag. Honestly...I carry three minimum.

Talk to Greg a little more. Ask him how many rounds are fired, on average, during reported fire fights in the civilian arena and the law enforcement arena. Remember average, not exception.

The final and ultimate decision is yours.

I'll say my final thought....then get off my soap box.

"It does not matter what you or I believe...its what they believe that matters..." Right now [i]they [i] are holding the cards. They say whats legal and whats not.

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Old 02-07-2008, 04:26 PM
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Gentlemen,

The passion I see in these replies is incredible. I take my hat off to all of you. I am not an attorney. I am a working stiff that carries daily. I am in complete agreement with all of you in regards to mag capacity. But the law is the law. It is what is. We can debate all day long, but when all is said and done, it will be left in the hands of twelve individuals to decide the outcome.

I understand not wanting to carry anything extra when its hot outside. But at heart, I'm a Boy Scout. Being prepared for any and all contingencies, is not an option, its a must. I personally would never imagine seeing myself carrying without at least one extra mag. Honestly...I carry three minimum.

Talk to Greg a little more. Ask him how many rounds are fired, on average, during reported fire fights in the civilian arena and the law enforcement arena. Remember average, not exception.

The final and ultimate decision is yours.

I'll say my final thought....then get off my soap box.

"It does not matter what you or I believe...its what they believe that matters..." Right now [i]they [i] are holding the cards. They say whats legal and whats not.

Thank you.
Just for the record... I love revolvers too... Kinda like I love my kids.. each is different and has a different set of capablilities... I have never felt under-armed with a single stack 1911 or a 6 shot 357 mag revolver... Smith has a new light-weight 44spl/45acp/357mag with night sights comin' soon to a gun store near you... wouldn't feel under-armed with one of those low-capacity fightin' revolvin' guns neither....
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---rant---

i am sick of hearing "high cap' mags, it should be "low cap" as the rest of the country has the normal cap mags, ca and some citys out side of ca have limited the pop from having normal cap mag, and allows only a redused cap mag.
--end of rant--
I can understand why you are tired of hearing all these terms as they are made up and have no meaning in California.

In California you have 10 round magazines and large capacity magazines. Every other term I can think of is wrong.
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Old 02-14-2008, 08:43 PM
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The number of non LEO people I have run accross who seem to find ways of acquiring Hi-caps is astounding.... I think this law is broken more than the the one about tearing the tags off of mattresses... amazing... stupid law and largely unenforceable...arrghhh and why break it?... was 8 rounds in a 1911 too little for your grandpa...? Did he feel undergunned with his six shooter?... My uncle was a cop in the 20's...he was feeling under-gunned by the baddies and bought a 38 super... not for extra rounds but to punch car doors and bullet proof vests of the time!....
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Old 02-15-2008, 02:44 PM
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true, the cap limit here in California is a law that can not be enforced.


some guns were designed with a mag cap of more than 10 rounds (rifle and pistol).
as for me i do not need to have 20 - 30 rounds sticking out of the bottom of a pistol, way to easy to just stick another mag in the gun,
but there are some times when having more ammo in one mag is a good thing just for the sake of all ways reloading while out plinking,
or having to not be able to remove a mag on a rifle designed to have replacable mags (stock is a 20 round mag) ,
old m1 carbines stock with a 15 or 30 round, -history here-.

i did see a 100 round mag for a ak, it just looked stuped, lot of weight for a tiny clip to hold in a gun.

sks's have it good only hold 10 rounds to start with, and reload via strippers,
cheeper than mags, and as easy to use.

m1 grands have clips, no mags,
so some guns work very good with out having the so called high cap mags.


others....well lets just say to each his own.

so the mag ban only stops thoes who will "OBEY" the goverment.


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Here's the question... Can I legally carry my new Glock with my old Glock hi-cap magazines in it? Sheriff says O.K. Lawyer says NO! Who is correct? Anyone with some experience would be appreciated!

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This is not legal advice. Consult a lawyer that specializes in firearms law.

The issue here is burden of proof. Can you PROVE that you owned the magazines before the ban? Do you have a receipt that shows that when you purchased the original weapon, there were high capacity magazines included? Do you have a receipt from when you sold the weapon stating you did not include those magazines in the sale? The other thing you need to consider is whether it is worth it to you to either carry this documentation with you at all times or bring it to court after you're arrested and have dealt with all the hassle involved with being arrested, or whether you're better off just carrying the currently legal ten round magazines.

There are some things in the legal system that work backwards... you have to prove you are not guilty. Traffic court is one example. This is probably another.
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Old 03-25-2008, 07:03 PM
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living here in the state of low cap mags.

just have 2 or 3 spares close at hand that is 20 to 30 extra rounds.

i colleced mags at one time, now it is a allmost impossable to do.

but i would like to get ahold of one of the "factory" 10 round mag big 5 sells with there junk .30 carbines, but i will not pay $1,000.00 for it.
Try J&G sales in Prescott AZ. I think they sell 5 round mags for 30 carbines ...
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Old 03-25-2008, 07:11 PM
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Just for the record... I love revolvers too... Kinda like I love my kids.. each is different and has a different set of capablilities... I have never felt under-armed with a single stack 1911 or a 6 shot 357 mag revolver... Smith has a new light-weight 44spl/45acp/357mag with night sights comin' soon to a gun store near you... wouldn't feel under-armed with one of those low-capacity fightin' revolvin' guns neither....
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Hi.

My first thread here, looking for an answer. I have spoke to my Sheriff, a lawyer and others, and get different answers.

Assume I own magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds and I owned them prior to the 2000 ban. However, those mags were used with my old Glock.

O.K., now assume I purchased a new Glock of the exact same make/model and that is now my main carry weapon.

Here's the question... Can I legally carry my new Glock with my old Glock hi-cap magazines in it? Sheriff says O.K. Lawyer says NO! Who is correct? Anyone with some experience would be appreciated!

Thanks,

Cros.
Personally I think the fact that you would have hi-caps would cause any shooting you were involved in to be VERY questioned.... RE - the overzealous realm...
To quote a local Marine Col ... "six rounds and my Nikes is all I really need." Mind you, this is a battle tested Marine who has been in some s**t. He was one of my letters of recommendation and after I was CCW'd he asked what I carried.... I said my J-frame Smith....
Quite the interesting perspective.
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This is not legal advice. Consult a lawyer that specializes in firearms law.

The issue here is burden of proof. Can you PROVE that you owned the magazines before the ban? Do you have a receipt that shows that when you purchased the original weapon, there were high capacity magazines included? Do you have a receipt from when you sold the weapon stating you did not include those magazines in the sale? The other thing you need to consider is whether it is worth it to you to either carry this documentation with you at all times or bring it to court after you're arrested and have dealt with all the hassle involved with being arrested, or whether you're better off just carrying the currently legal ten round magazines.

There are some things in the legal system that work backwards... you have to prove you are not guilty. Traffic court is one example. This is probably another.
Thanks for your insight, Nightingale.

There is too much that one would need to be prove to warrant the "cuz I can" response of carrying magazines that are generally illegal in the state. I'd prefer the less stress/harassment route in this scenario and carry more than one magazine if I wasn't comfortable with only 10.

Need/want to carry more than that, carry an extra mag. Just my opinion, YMMV.
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Old 03-26-2008, 10:37 PM
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Thanks for your insight, Nightingale.

There is too much that one would need to be prove to warrant the "cuz I can" response of carrying magazines that are generally illegal in the state. I'd prefer the less stress/harassment route in this scenario and carry more than one magazine if I wasn't comfortable with only 10.

Need/want to carry more than that, carry an extra mag. Just my opinion, YMMV.
Speaking as a law enforcement type .... I can't seem to arrest people for possession of the high cap. ammo feedin' device... this is Kern Co. and they interpret the law as being un-enforceable (spelling?)... they won't file on it.. been there...done that...got the arrest form...

so educate me as to why I have to proove that I had the mag before the ban? Wouldn't that be guilty until proven innocent..? instead of innocent until proven guilty?

I gave all of my kids my "super evil" hi cap. magazines the day before the ban went into place...legally I could just hand it to them ... and did... and they gave them back to me the next day for safe keeping as they were all minors and they couldn't possess...not own...possess them the next day... now as they become adults... IM GIVEN THEM THEIR FREAKIN MAGS BACK..... I hope I wasn't unclear about that...?

I can't legally endanger/kill myself in california by riding a motorcycle without a helmet... but I still have my consitutional rights to my property and so do my children... the govt. can take my hi caps but they have to compensate me for them... no problem....
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