Would this be legal?

[hardway]

Would the center of mass "console" safe be legal for non ccw transport in Ca? It fits in the existing center console and has the combo lock, its capable of being bolted in but if I dont it should be good?. I'm under the impression that as long as its not attached to the vehicle its legal? Console Vault Home

[PUNK]

Please READ the FAQ's

http://www.calccw.com/Forums/general...ornia-faq.html

if you want the lockable center console custom one by C-O-M....ILLEGAL = FAIL

only the individual C-O-M boxes are legal to transport

[hardway]

Thanks, I did earlier

(1) The firearm is within a motor vehicle and it is locked in the
vehicle's trunk or in a locked container in the vehicle other than
the utility or glove compartment.

So even though its in a locked container, said container cant be placed in the glove box or console?

I understoud this " or in a locked container in the vehicle other than
the utility or glove compartment." as meaning in leu of a locked container is illeagal. I figured firearm placed in locked container and then in the glovebox or console would be ok.

[BillyBob]

keep it out of the glovebox and out of the center console. whether its in a seperate case unloaded and locked.

we err on the side of caution. This will keep you out of trouble

[Truckoholic]

(1) The firearm is within a motor vehicle and it is locked in the
vehicle's trunk or in a locked container in the vehicle other than
the utility or glove compartment.

See, I'm with you on that one. I interpret that to mean that the utility or glove box does not satisfy the requirement of a locked container. But if the gun was locked in a separate locked container, and then placed inside the glove box, or the center console, that is absolutely no different whatsoever, than if it was in said locked container sitting beside you in the seat which apparently IS legal even though THAT would make it even more accessible to you than if you had to open the glove box, and retrieve said locked container, and then unlock it. The wording of the law seems pretty clear to me, that it is simply saying that the glove box does not satisfy the requirement of a locked container. Not that even if the gun is locked in it's own container and then placed in the glove box that it would be illegal. When the gun is placed in a locked box, as far as the law is concerned, it is no longer a gun. It is simply a box. Which is why it is legal to carry in the car on the seat next to you. When said "Box" is placed in the glove compartment, it is no different than having a "Box" in your glove compartment as far as all parties are concerned.

What we have here is a simple case of the law makers not feeling the need to fill the wording of the law with endless definitions of every aspect of every little detail one could possibly think of pertaining to that law. They were not going to go so far as to feel the need to explain that if a gun is locked in a container, and THEN placed into the glovebox, that it would then be legal. Because what they were trying to get accross was that the glove box does not satisfy the requirement of a locked container for transporting guns, they knew there was no real need to further explain.

A gun, locked legally inside of an approved locking container, is basically no longer a gun. It is locked within a container where it is worthless as a weapon. That is why they make you lock it in the container. And this locked container is now perfectly legal to transport within your vehicle. And therefore, regardless of any misinterpretation of the law, would be no different being carried in your glove box than on the seat next to you.

But, I am not the one who wrote the laws. I only interpret them with common sense. I am not the law enforcement officer who may or may not have same mentioned common sense, therefore what the hell do I know?

[spc]

Under the color of the law the authorities want the firearm as unaccessible as possible to the driver or passengers. In the trunk if you have one covers that. If you have no trunk as in a truck or SUV the firearm locked in a container with no ammunition should be placed as far away as possible from the driver.

My understanding is the glove box or center console is way too accessible to the operator to satisfy the color of law even with the firearm in a locked container. YMMV

This locking container should not be permanently fastened to the vehicle, hence our use of the Center-of-Mass cable locking box for secure storage.

We have worked this subject over in numerous threads already.

spc

[OIS]

Sorry I am not clear as to what "Color of the law means." Would you please be so kind as to post "The Law" as it pertains to vehicles.

Thanks

[onlyaudio]

I agree with what seems to be the majority opinion here -- transport it unloaded in a locked container, 1- in the trunk, 2-in the rear of a pickup (if closed) or SUV, or 3- as far away from the driver as possible in the passenger area of a car/truck -- NOT in the glove compartment or center console.

The wording of the law may seem vague, and you MAY convince some judge to let you go. But some rookie or zealous peace officer is NOT going to argue the wording of the law with you out on the street. He's going to act on HIS interpretation, and if that means handcuffing you, confiscating your firearm so its your responsibility to get it back, taking you to jail, having your car towed and stored at your expense and leaving it for YOU to argue with a judge, that's what he'll do.

Why risk all that just to prove a point (which you may or may not accomplish)? Hence, the "err on the side of caution" already mentioned.

[derringer]

The whole thing is stupid since you can legally transport it unloaded and NOT IN A BOX AT ALL if carried out in the open, not that I advocate it for obvious reasons.
Though I guess there have been some cases ending otherwise, I think the wording is clear that the ammo can, in fact, be with the gun as long as the gun is not loaded. Oh, the evils of case law Either way, play it safe and keep them separated by a lock just in case you wind up on the stupid end of a copper or JOP someday.

[paul0660]

We have worked this subject over in numerous threads already.

Understatement of the WEEK.