CT laser grips or Laser max question

[maldos]

I just read a post where CT laser grips were installed, I assume on a carry gun. If one "alters" the gun from the way the manufacturer produced it, and the gun is involved in a shooting, will /can an attorney use this alteration to prosecute?

Can a gun with laser sights actually get placed on a CA CCW certificate during the inspection?

[Harry Carry]

As far as liability goes, that's a question for better legal minds than my own. But having laser sights/grips on a carry gun is dependent on the issuing authority. In Orange County, laser sights are not allowed on CCW guns.

[Poogsdad]

Lasers on a CCW weapon is a subject that has come up often here.

I personally like them a lot, particularly on a J-Frame Revolver.

In my county, there is no restriction on having lasers on a CCW weapon. Unfortunately this is not always the case with other counties. As Harry Carry has already stated, Lasers are not allowed by Orange County on a CCW weapon.

There should not be any restrictions on lasers on a non-CCW weapon, however. Placing one on a "House" or "Bedside" gun that you do not have on your CCW is something I would certainly recommend, if you desire to.

Thanks,

[AMS MIKE]

copied from another thread

Originally Posted by CCWInstructor

No Laser in Orange County. Period! It is a county by county choice.

The logic that is being used is. If you point a laser gun at somebody and you do not shoot them you violate PC417.25

"417.25. (a) Every person who, except in self-defense, aims or
points a laser scope, as defined in subdivision (b), or a laser
pointer, as defined in subdivision (c), at another person in a
threatening manner with the specific intent to cause a reasonable
person fear of bodily harm is guilty of a misdemeanor, punishable by
imprisonment in a county jail for up to 30 days. For purposes of
this section, the laser scope need not be attached to a firearm.
(b) As used in this section, "laser scope" means a portable
battery-powered device capable of being attached to a firearm and
capable of projecting a laser light on objects at a distance.
(c) As used in this section, "laser pointer" means any hand held
laser beam device or demonstration laser product that emits a single
point of light amplified by the stimulated emission of radiation that
is visible to the human eye."

[El Gato]

OK... if this came up in class... and it has...:

"So tell me... how is it a liability to place a device upon a firearm, which will assist the shooter in more reliably hitting a target...say a bad guy who is trying to harm innocent people...does the laser act as a device to insure you hit the intended target and that the round is less likely to miss and hit an innocent person...?"

If that is your story...God Bless and stick to it... I have reservations about lasers unless the primary practice is with the sights..the iron ones not the laser thing... but I believe they do have their place. I have several elderly clients who did alot of practice ... 40+ years or more ago... with "point shooting"... they seem to benefit greatly from the laser.

What I see more often than lasers, and that which I feel is much more liability prone... are those folks who do a "trigger job" on their glock and wind up with a 2lb trigger and then carry the gun for ccw... or pin the grip safety on their 1911 or remove the firing pin safety on their series 80... explain removing/pinning a safety device on your carry gun....to plaintiffs attorney...that'll be a new kinda fun and excitement.... ooooooeeeeee

[ptbarnacle]

Originally Posted by Poogsdad

Lasers on a CCW weapon is a subject that has come up often here.

I personally like them a lot, particularly on a J-Frame Revolver.

In my county, there is no restriction on having lasers on a CCW weapon. Unfortunately this is not always the case with other counties. As Harry Carry has already stated, Lasers are not allowed by Orange County on a CCW weapon.

There should not be any restrictions on lasers on a non-CCW weapon, however. Placing one on a "House" or "Bedside" gun that you do not have on your CCW is something I would certainly recommend, if you desire to.

Thanks,

+1

I only have it on my 340 PD J frame. But it takes practice to use it right with the sights. I still use the sights with the laser. Practice with someones before making a purchase.

[maldos]

Well, I'm 58 and have been point shooting for a number of years. In order to focus on the front sight, I must wear "readers" over my contacts, OK for target, but, for me, not exactly real world shooting. Having a laser on my P229 allows me to point and track much faster in low light situations. Anyone see a problem for in-home use (not CCW)?

[Bombard]

Originally Posted by maldos

Well, I'm 58 and have been point shooting for a number of years. In order to focus on the front sight, I must wear "readers" over my contacts, OK for target, but, for me, not exactly real world shooting. Having a laser on my P229 allows me to point and track much faster in low light situations. Anyone see a problem for in-home use (not CCW)?

Don't see anything wrong with it. I assume you have glasses by your bed. I got my eyes lasered a few years ago to get rid of the astigmatism, now that I'm losing my near vision I can just use ordinary reading glasses.

[CCWInstructor]

Has anybody shot with a laser with no ventilation like a real shooting? You will see the FATAL Flaw to them.

[rycerz]

Originally Posted by CCWInstructor

Has anybody shot with a laser with no ventilation like a real shooting? You will see the FATAL Flaw to them.

[ptbarnacle]

Originally Posted by CCWInstructor

Has anybody shot with a laser with no ventilation like a real shooting? You will see the FATAL Flaw to them.

You definately see the laser beam from the tip of your gun to the target. Kind of like a Light Saber pointingback to you.

[Mad Geek]

Originally Posted by CCWInstructor

Has anybody shot with a laser with no ventilation like a real shooting? You will see the FATAL Flaw to them.

Your point is well taken, CCWI, and PT drives it home, but in a personal defense situation, how likely is it that using a laser might give away your position or draw fire(assuming that is the flaw you're referring to)? Wouldn't it be more a matter of disciplined training like with a light?

[kathyminx]

Just (imho) for a great non-defensive use for the laser sights, I've found that they both work well for dry-firing feedback. Sight-alignment (and acceptible wobble), trigger control (esp. double action) and followthrough (I've caught myself pulling the pistol away just as the hammer falls). Caveat: From my experience, because the laser is such a cool toy, you deliberately have to tell yourself when you start and finish dry-firing since the laser grabs your attention.

Just fyi, my P229 CT can be seen up to 800 yds away and the Laser Max (G27), about 100 yds...I was just being a dweeb (tested in a very safe place on a flat, white surface, along with laser rangefinder)

Oh yeah. My Laser Max came with a damaged lens, then the switch/safety spring became soft (intermittent problems) both which their Service Dept. was great about. The CT so for has given me no problems.

Ciao!

[CCWInstructor]

If you are going to get one, I strongly recommend Laser Max. Lots of right handed shooter tend to light up their finger when they index on the frame.

That is not cool!

[maldos]

My P229 (used) came with a Laser Max. One thing though, the LM is not adjustable whereas the CT grips are. But at 7 yards....close enough!