simplicty vs.. simplicity?

[rycerz]

So I'm cleaning guns today and as I am going through my 1911 clones I came to the following conclusion:
Colt series 80 has most extra doodads inside. Kimber Pro Carry has about 1 piece less. Springfield Armory TRP has the least. While I really like my Pro Carry and the Colt 1991, I believe in simplicity and I'm thinking that I need to find something as simple (less parts is simple in my book) as the TRP. What does that lead me to? I think Springfield Armory might be the direction I'll lean towards

In any case I think Lord was right when he said: "Thou shalt not muck with my disciple John's design for it is good and it workith".

[JandJDude]

Originally Posted by rycerz

So I'm cleaning guns today and as I am going through my 1911 clones I came to the following conclusion:
Colt series 80 has most extra doodads inside. Kimber Pro Carry has about 1 piece less. Springfield Armory TRP has the least. While I really like my Pro Carry and the Colt 1991, I believe in simplicity and I'm thinking that I need to find something as simple (less parts is simple in my book) as the TRP. What does that lead me to? I think Springfield Armory might be the direction I'll lean towards

In any case I think Lord was right when he said: "Thou shalt not muck with my disciple John's design for it is good and it workith".

I too am a firm believer in the maxim "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

Good luck trying to get a Springfield though. Last I heard there's a 2 year back order on most 1911 models due to the worker's strike in Brazil.

Of course, if you're going for simplicity, you could always try Glock. Or a revolver.

[WKC]

Originally Posted by JandJDude

I too am a firm believer in the maxim "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

Good luck trying to get a Springfield though. Last I heard there's a 2 year back order on most 1911 models due to the worker's strike in Brazil.

Of course, if you're going for simplicity, you could always try Glock. Or a revolver.

He is looking for simplicity. Not unsafe.

[Dutchman]

Originally Posted by JandJDude

I too am a firm believer in the maxim "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

Good luck trying to get a Springfield though. Last I heard there's a 2 year back order on most 1911 models due to the worker's strike in Brazil.

Of course, if you're going for simplicity, you could always try Glock. Or a revolver.

I love my revolvers, but it takes me just as long to clean a revolver as it does a glock or 1911...at least for me.

[sealbeach]

Here you go, only 2 moving parts:



You may admit, it is not really total simplicity that you desire...

[rycerz]

Originally Posted by sealbeach

Here you go, only 1 moving part:

yeah.. and only one shot at a time..... I'm looking for 1911 clones to fit my requirement. A 4" TRP would be perfect

[JandJDude]

Originally Posted by rycerz

yeah.. and only one shot at a time..... I'm looking for 1911 clones to fit my requirement. A 4" TRP would be perfect

AFAIK Springfield doesn't make a 4" TRP.

That would be a pretty sweet set up though.

[rycerz]

Originally Posted by JandJDude

AFAIK Springfield doesn't make a 4" TRP.

That would be a pretty sweet set up though.

I know that they don't make a 4" TRP: that's why I'm looking around for something close to it.

[TaxMan]

Originally Posted by rycerz

So I'm cleaning guns today and as I am going through my 1911 clones I came to the following conclusion:
Colt series 80 has most extra doodads inside. Kimber Pro Carry has about 1 piece less. Springfield Armory TRP has the least. While I really like my Pro Carry and the Colt 1991, I believe in simplicity and I'm thinking that I need to find something as simple (less parts is simple in my book) as the TRP. What does that lead me to? I think Springfield Armory might be the direction I'll lean towards

In any case I think Lord was right when he said: "Thou shalt not muck with my disciple John's design for it is good and it workith".

So..........................while you are looking for this simplicity thing, will the Colt and Kimber be found in the Armory soon?

[rycerz]

Originally Posted by TaxMan

So..........................while you are looking for this simplicity thing, will the Colt and Kimber be found in the Armory soon?

Most likely not

[1buba]

Originally Posted by WKC

He is looking for simplicity. Not unsafe.

Quote of the week. hahahahahhahahaaaa


I'd be curious, and i don't know if anyone can answer definitively... how many of the extra parts have been facilitated by lawyers and/or legislation. I bet most if not all, but that is only a guess.

[Tom98915]

simplicty vs.. simplicity?

[rycerz]

Originally Posted by Tom98915

simplicty vs.. simplicity?

umm cute........

OK, moving on. 1B, it's very possible that some of those features were added as protection against potential "oops" type situations, but.... there are still manufacturers that make the firearms without the extra components.

[1buba]

Originally Posted by rycerz

umm cute........

OK, moving on. 1B, it's very possible that some of those features were added as protection against potential "oops" type situations, but.... there are still manufacturers that make the firearms without the extra components.

Yeah, i figure it's like the stupid S&W lock... Lawyers required it and the mfg decided it would be "good".

Actually, I'm not nearly as concerned about the extra parts as I about things like extra locks and such. Maybe I should be, but so far, I've only heard of a few problems due to internal parts breaking. I've heard LOTS of rumors of the locks causing issues. Rumors are just that, but i don't even hear rumors of the extra parts causing issues.

[Dutchman]

Originally Posted by 1buba

Yeah, i figure it's like the stupid S&W lock... Lawyers required it and the mfg decided it would be "good".

Actually, I'm not nearly as concerned about the extra parts as I about things like extra locks and such. Maybe I should be, but so far, I've only heard of a few problems due to internal parts breaking. I've heard LOTS of rumors of the locks causing issues. Rumors are just that, but i don't even hear rumors of the extra parts causing issues.

Randy Lee, a fine gunsmith in the Los Osos area has first hand knowledge of a lock failure on a S&W 627 (a big beefy N frame) in the 2006 ICORE finals. Since this particular gentleman actually uses this revolver as his duty weapon as a deputy he had the offending debris removed.

On the Post Your Integral Lock Induced Failures (ILIF). - Topic Powered by eve community Smith and Wesson forum there are several claims of failures, mostly with the scadnium frames.

Extra un-needed parts simply introduce opportunities for Mr. Murphy's Law to rear it's ugly head.