PPS 9 or P200 SK V3

[ontmark]

Looking to add a small 9 mm to collection. It would be for CCW and back up HD. Any input on the Walthers PPS 9 or the HK P2000 SK V3 would be appreciated. Or have I even overlooked something else in comparable size?

Thanks

[WKC]

The P2000 LEM is the issued weapon for the Customs and Border Protection Service. I had the chance to shoot one issued to a friend of my brother. What a piece of crap! Worst trigger I have ever felt. The gun in the LEM configuration is double action only. The trigger force is light as you draw the hammer back. As it approaches the break, the trigger force increases significantly until the shot breaks. It's as if they designed the gun to make you jerk the trigger.

Edit: Hate to say this but if you must have plastic, the trigger on a Glock is much better than the HK P2000.

[El Gato]

Originally Posted by ontmark

Looking to add a small 9 mm to collection. It would be for CCW and back up HD. Any input on the Walthers PPS 9 or the HK P2000 SK V3 would be appreciated. Or have I even overlooked something else in comparable size?

Thanks

Shot the ICE HK... the trigger is the usual HK LEM trigger... nothing special... but I don't particularly have a problem with it.. about like my issue Glock... A Wilson Combat 45 it ain't....

I haven't seen the PPS yet.. but isn't it very much smaller than the HK? Kinda like comparin' a toyota tacoma to a Ford F250 ain't it?

Will be looking at the pps soon to compare it to the Kahr as my wife informed me today she will be ordering a new gun........

[Bombard]

Originally Posted by El Gato

Will be looking at the pps soon to compare it to the Kahr as my wife informed me today she will be ordering a new gun........

Not on the CA list, and according to the S&W customer service rep I talked to it doesn't have a mag disconnect. That was the final reason I bought Taxman's Kahr.

[Rivers]

I have both .45 USP fullsize and P2000sk .40. Both are lightened LEM triggers. For accuracy and controllability, both are excellent shooters.

Recently, I took a 3-day course by Bruce Gray (grayguns.com), a former HK and SIG-sponsored competition shooter and gunsmith. (He has something of a cult following with SIG users.) At my request, he shot my .45 and advised that he wouldn't do anything to the trigger, that it is good as it is. Considering his expertise, I'm happy. I thought it felt very nice and my shooting reflects that it's a very capable handgun. I'm keeping both my LEMs as they are!

There is a very different feel to the LEM trigger though, something that could very easily be misread by an unfamiliar shooter. It's not intended as a match trigger. It is intended as a premium self-defense trigger system. There is normally no safety to (forget to) disengage. The gun is carried with one in the chamber. To fire, it is a normal trigger pull, but light. (Mine was lightened from the standard 8# to less than 5#, from first to last shot.) There is a short reset. You can test this (dry-fire, make SURE that the gun isn't loaded!!!) by racking the slide, then pulling the trigger and holding the trigger in. Rack the slide, then slowly release the trigger. You'll feel a light click within .25" as the trigger is now reset for a followup shot. Personally, I don't have any desire to go back to DA/SA.