9x23 Winchester

[El Gato]

Dane Burns at Burns Custom has suggested I convert my 9mm Para to winchester's 9x23 which will put a 9mm bullet out at velocities that are certainly interesting... and certainly faster than the 38 super.

Does anyone have any experience with this caliber?

[rycerz]

Originally Posted by El Gato

Dane Burns at Burns Custom has suggested I convert my 9mm Para to winchester's 9x23 which will put a 9mm bullet out at velocities that are certainly interesting... and certainly faster than the 38 super.

Does anyone have any experience with this caliber?

What do you want to use it for? I think that's the first question you need to answer before going any further with the topic.

[El Gato]

Originally Posted by rycerz

What do you want to use it for? I think that's the first question you need to answer before going any further with the topic.

Well... that's a good question... ultimately... because I can. But having said that, the idea of high speed 357 mag like balistics in an autoloader sounds like a good idea for carry gun. The 9mm cor bon is sizzling outa the para but the 9x23 has even more sizzle... Plus I used to use the 38 super, when I had one, for rabbits, and squirrels and coyotes oh my.... the 9x23 sounds like a more super 38 super without the rims... and should feed better in the 18 round mags of the para....

[rycerz]

Originally Posted by El Gato

Well... that's a good question... ultimately... because I can. But having said that, the idea of high speed 357 mag like balistics in an autoloader sounds like a good idea for carry gun. The 9mm cor bon is sizzling outa the para but the 9x23 has even more sizzle... Plus I used to use the 38 super, when I had one, for rabbits, and squirrels and coyotes oh my.... the 9x23 sounds like a more super 38 super without the rims... and should feed better in the 18 round mags of the para....

OK, I'm not an expert but it sounds to me like the FN 5.9 setup kind of. Fast traveling projectile at a small caliber. OK, granted the 5.9 is smaller then 9mm but not by much. AFAIK no agency issues FN 5.9 as a carry firearm because as a personal firearm it's not that practical. Fast traveling projectile will have overpenetration issues (in a carry firearm I see that as a big concern). Also fast traveling small caliber projectile will go through cleaner AFAIK then a slower traveling bigger projectile (something to do with expansion rate versus rate of travel: I'm hoping someone with more know how will tackle that question).

[THE Gimper]

Originally Posted by El Gato

Well... that's a good question... ultimately... because I can. But having said that, the idea of high speed 357 mag like balistics in an autoloader sounds like a good idea for carry gun.

Forgive my ignorance here, but would the .357 sig do the same?

[Bombard]

Originally Posted by El Gato

Dane Burns at Burns Custom has suggested I convert my 9mm Para to winchester's 9x23 which will put a 9mm bullet out at velocities that are certainly interesting... and certainly faster than the 38 super.

Does anyone have any experience with this caliber?

In which pistol?

[AuburnHunter]

Originally Posted by rycerz

OK, I'm not an expert but it sounds to me like the FN 5.9 setup kind of. Fast traveling projectile at a small caliber. OK, granted the 5.9 is smaller then 9mm but not by much. AFAIK no agency issues FN 5.9 as a carry firearm because as a personal firearm it's not that practical. Fast traveling projectile will have overpenetration issues (in a carry firearm I see that as a big concern). Also fast traveling small caliber projectile will go through cleaner AFAIK then a slower traveling bigger projectile (something to do with expansion rate versus rate of travel: I'm hoping someone with more know how will tackle that question).

I'm no expert at this either, but maybe one could chime in on the liability factor.

For example say you had to use it in a self defense scenario and are later sued (which I hear will most likely happen). Would the lawyer likely argue that you made a super duper man killer gun because you were just itching to shoot someone?

That said I am totally on board with the "because I can" factor.

[rycerz]

Originally Posted by AuburnHunter

I'm no expert at this either, but maybe one could chime in on the liability factor.

For example say you had to use it in a self defense scenario and are later sued (which I hear will most likely happen). Would the lawyer likely argue that you made a super duper man killer gun because you were just itching to shoot someone?

Good point x2!

That said I am totally on board with the "because I can" factor.

yeah, definately would be fun... but not in a carry gun

[sealbeach]

Originally Posted by El Gato

Dane Burns at Burns Custom has suggested I convert my 9mm Para to winchester's 9x23 which will put a 9mm bullet out at velocities that are certainly interesting... and certainly faster than the 38 super.

Does anyone have any experience with this caliber?

Or you could just buy a CZ52, and step up to 9x25, it will go through and through kevlar armor. Legal, accurate, reliable, and cheap. I do not carry my CZ52, but I have read of many that do. The muzzle blast will usually incinerate anything within about 3 foot radius of the gun, fun to shoot.

[THE Gimper]

Originally Posted by sealbeach

The muzzle blast will usually incinerate anything within about 3 foot radius of the gun, fun to shoot.

Nice feature. It's a gun. Wait, it's a cigarette lighter. It's both!

[Jarhead1978]

Well I carry concealed a CZ-52 as one of my listed weapons on my license, and love the 7.62X25mm Tokarev rounds at 1600 f.p.s. with around 610 ft. lbs. of energy.



OK, who brought the marshmallows??

[Glock32]

Originally Posted by Jarhead1978

Well I carry concealed a CZ-52 as one of my listed weapons on my license, and love the 7.62X25mm Tokarev rounds at 1600 f.p.s. with around 610 ft. lbs. of energy.



OK, who brought the marshmallows??

Just out of curiousity: How do you carry your CZ52? Cocked and locked'? Hammer down on a live round? Empty chamber? What ammo do you use for carry purposes?

[Glock32]

Originally Posted by rycerz

OK, I'm not an expert but it sounds to me like the FN 5.9 setup kind of. Fast traveling projectile at a small caliber. OK, granted the 5.9 is smaller then 9mm but not by much. AFAIK no agency issues FN 5.9 as a carry firearm because as a personal firearm it's not that practical. Fast traveling projectile will have overpenetration issues (in a carry firearm I see that as a big concern). Also fast traveling small caliber projectile will go through cleaner AFAIK then a slower traveling bigger projectile (something to do with expansion rate versus rate of travel: I'm hoping someone with more know how will tackle that question).

No offense brother, but the 5.7 (FiveSeveN) and the 9 are worlds apart in bullet diameter, frontal surface area and weight. Personally I do not see what they could possibly have in common. Again, no offense, just my .2c.

[THE Gimper]

Originally Posted by Jarhead1978

Well I carry concealed a CZ-52 as one of my listed weapons on my license, and love the 7.62X25mm Tokarev rounds at 1600 f.p.s. with around 610 ft. lbs. of energy.



OK, who brought the marshmallows??

[Jarhead1978]

Originally Posted by Glock32

Just out of curiousity: How do you carry your CZ52? Cocked and locked'? Hammer down on a live round? Empty chamber? What ammo do you use for carry purposes?

My CZ-52 is carried mostly inside the waistband leather holster. Sometimes in a shoulder holster - horizontal orientation. I carry my CZ-52 with a round in the chamber and hammer down with the safety engaged. I can draw, cock hammer, and release safety with one quick movement - by the time my hands are placed and I line up my sights.. It is a single action semi-automatic pistol.

I own 4 seperate CZ-52s (got 'em when they were $89.00 each) and my carry weapon was worked over by my gunsmith as to ensure that the safety bar, decocking mechanism is in top working order. Replaced the fragile firing pin and put in a heavier recoil spring 18 lbs...

I use 3 rounds of Holow Point, and then follow with 5 rounds of 83 grain full ball ammuniton in each of the 3 magazines (1 in CZ-52, and 2 in mag pouch on belt) that I carry. All are commerical manufactured ammunition, since I have been told never to use reloads for self defense. You will leave yourself open for days just on ballistics, if you ever discharge your weapon.

I live in a very rural area, so overpenetration is not an issued for me here - unlike those who live in the city..