out of state purchase (PPT)

[jdoane9724]

Got a (sort of) Carry Question I'm not sure on: a gun I want can be purchased from a PP in Alabama. The gun (Para P14-45 LDA) is not on CA's list. Can I get it when shipping to FFL in CA?

Thanks

John

[Glock32]

Originally Posted by jdoane9724

Got a (sort of) Carry Question I'm not sure on: a gun I want can be purchased from a PP in Alabama. The gun (Para P14-45 LDA) is not on CA's list. Can I get it when shipping to FFL in CA?

Thanks

John

No, unless you are exempt for the safe handgun requirement (LEO).

[Truckoholic]

Back before I knew about that ridiculous "SAFE" handgun roster, I made the mistake of bidding on and winning a Rossi 357 revolver from a guy on GunBroker not realizing it was not legal for me to buy it until my FFL went to send a copy of his license to the seller and learned what the gun was and informed me I could not do that. So I ended up having to email the seller and tell him "Uh, I'm sorry, but I can't buy that from you after all." Was so embarassing, and he was pretty pissed because he had to relist it. So then I found a Ruger GP100 which IS on the list, and my FFL tried to tell me that it was not, so I had to convince him that it was just under a different model name. I forget what it's on there as, but it's more than just GP100 and it was throwing my FFL off. But finally he did the transfer for me.

But yeah, that roster of "SAFE" guns is not only to keep you from buying "DANGEROUS" guns within the state, but also outside of the state.

[nosmatt]

Originally Posted by Truckoholic

Back before I knew about that ridiculous "SAFE" handgun roster, I made the mistake of bidding on and winning a Rossi 357 revolver from a guy on GunBroker not realizing it was not legal for me to buy it until my FFL went to send a copy of his license to the seller and learned what the gun was and informed me I could not do that. So I ended up having to email the seller and tell him "Uh, I'm sorry, but I can't buy that from you after all." Was so embarassing, and he was pretty pissed because he had to relist it. So then I found a Ruger GP100 which IS on the list, and my FFL tried to tell me that it was not, so I had to convince him that it was just under a different model name. I forget what it's on there as, but it's more than just GP100 and it was throwing my FFL off. But finally he did the transfer for me.

But yeah, that roster of "SAFE" guns is not only to keep you from buying "DANGEROUS" guns within the state, but also outside of the state.

KGP141


Just went through the same thing.

[Truckoholic]

Originally Posted by nosmatt

KGP141


Just went through the same thing.

Yeah, it confuses them when it's listed in the lisitng as one thing, but under a different model name on the roster itself. So was your FFL not wanting to do it either, or were you allready prepared and knew that it was under that model number on the roster before you went to do the transfer? I had no clue at the time so it took me a couple days after I bought it on gunbroker, of going home and researching it online and asking people what it's technical model number was and going back to my FFL multiple times trying to convince him that it was indeed the same gun as is on the roster of safe guns. He really didn't want to do the transfer for me as it was and just wanted me to buy a brand new gun directly from him, so he allready had a bad attitude about it and was trying to find reasons not to do it for me. Then when the gun came, he was shaking it and showing me that it had something loose inside telling me it was a piece of crap and that I should have just bought a new one. The piece that was rattling was just the firing pin blocking mechanism, and it appears to be normal for it to be a little loose like that. I don't know. But this guy was just not wanting to cooperate. So I never used him again.

[nosmatt]

Originally Posted by Truckoholic

Yeah, it confuses them when it's listed in the lisitng as one thing, but under a different model name on the roster itself. So was your FFL not wanting to do it either, or were you allready prepared and knew that it was under that model number on the roster before you went to do the transfer? I had no clue at the time so it took me a couple days after I bought it on gunbroker, of going home and researching it online and asking people what it's technical model number was and going back to my FFL multiple times trying to convince him that it was indeed the same gun as is on the roster of safe guns. He really didn't want to do the transfer for me as it was and just wanted me to buy a brand new gun directly from him, so he allready had a bad attitude about it and was trying to find reasons not to do it for me. Then when the gun came, he was shaking it and showing me that it had something loose inside telling me it was a piece of crap and that I should have just bought a new one. The piece that was rattling was just the firing pin blocking mechanism, and it appears to be normal for it to be a little loose like that. I don't know. But this guy was just not wanting to cooperate. So I never used him again.

Kind of both actually, I had looked it up on Rugers website, and knew that it had to be the model on the roster, seller finally confirmed, and FFL would have no part of it, since it did not have documentation stating it was that model #, they would not do it...So I passed on it. I could have tried another, but they are just not that hard to find locally.

[Aurelius]

Another question in the same vein: can I go to another state and buy a gun there, at say a gun show, and then bringing it back here? Or am I restricted to purchasing guns in my state of residence?

[3boyzmom]

Originally Posted by Aurelius

Another question in the same vein: can I go to another state and buy a gun there, at say a gun show, and then bringing it back here? Or am I restricted to purchasing guns in my state of residence?

No you cannot. Gun purchases out of state still have to comply with the CA law, which means transfer through an FFL. You are not restricted to purchasing guns IN California, but any gun purchased out of state has to be legally transferred through a CA FFL.

Trust me, if there were an easy loophole for obtaining non-roster guns, everyone would do it. Your only chance is to buy one from an LEO who is selling theirs.

[aerosick]

Originally Posted by 3boyzmom

No you cannot. Gun purchases out of state still have to comply with the CA law, which means transfer through an FFL. You are not restricted to purchasing guns IN California, but any gun purchased out of state has to be legally transferred through a CA FFL.

Trust me, if there were an easy loophole for obtaining non-roster guns, everyone would do it. Your only chance is to buy one from an LEO who is selling theirs.

Will having the CA Certificate of Eligibility allow you to bring in guns and then register them after you get home?

Billy

[kingsransomracing]

John,

The gun does not have to be on the california list if it is a PPT

Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale - Firearms Division - California Dept. of Justice - Office of the Attorney General

Effective January 1, 2001, no handgun may be manufactured within California, imported into California for sale, lent, given, kept for sale, or offered/exposed for sale unless that handgun model has passed firing, safety, and drop tests and is certified for sale in California by the Department of Justice. Private party transfers, curio/relic handguns, certain single-action revolvers, and pawn/consignment returns are exempt from this requirement.

You can also go out of state and purchase a gun as long as you do not take ownership of it out of state. Purchase the gun and have the contact information for your FFL dealer in California and have them ship the gun to your FFL.

[3boyzmom]

I stand corrected. Sorry.

In that case, I'm calling my friend in Nevada and telling her I want her Pink Ruger LCP. Doesn't it still have to go through a CA FFL?

[WKC]

The PPT exemption is only applicable to "unsafe" handguns already in the state. You cannot purchase an "unsafe" handgun in another state and then "import" it into California.

Here is the applicable PC regarding importation of "unsafe" handguns.

12125. (a) Commencing January 1, 2001, any person in this state who
manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state
for sale, keeps for sale, offers or exposes for sale, gives, or lends
any unsafe handgun shall be punished by imprisonment in a county
jail not exceeding one year.

What I cannot find is the PC that exempts PPT of "unsafe" handguns already in this state. (Found it.)

Found this in the DOJ handbook:

The requirements for handguns to pass safety and functionality tests and to be listed in the
Department of Justice’s official list of handguns certified as safe for sale in California do not apply
to transactions involving the following:
• Private party transfers of handguns occurring through a firearms dealer. (Penal Code § 12132(a).)

[paul0660]

Transfers from out of state relatives (parents grandparents children grandchildren) do not have to be on the roster either.

[heypal]

whoa, be very careful. you'll run a serious risk of spending money on something that you can't take possession of, or of breaking the law. technically, you can't buy a handgun outside of your state of residence. that's not a state law, that's a federal one. when you give money to an out of state dealer, they're just doing you the service of transferring it to another FFL in your state, who will do the dros for you. there is an exception for C&R rifles.

if the person who currently owns the gun is your *parent* or *grandparent* there may be a way for *them* to bring the gun into california and gift you the gun, at which time you can fill out a form and file it for a nominal fee as a statement that you are the new legal owner. you are still not allowed to take possession of the gun outside the state and bring it back in yourself. i haven't put much time or energy into this and i'm not a lawyer so don't ever take my advice on anything that isn't common sense - and this ain't common sense, brother. and it can't be your brother, sister, or uncle, either. just parent or grandparent. otherwise it's a completely illegal straw purchase and you're exposing yourself to trouble.

this means that for most people, the only relevant way to acquire an off-roster firearm is through ppt, usually via LEO charitably selling to a civilian or as a legacy from before the roster.

best advice is to find something on the roster that you can live with. there's still some pretty good stuff on there, even if it is castrated.

gotta love it.

[Aurelius]

Originally Posted by heypal

technically, you can't buy a handgun outside of your state of residence. that's not a state law, that's a federal one.
gotta love it.

So why are the feds concerned about where I buy my guns, if all purchases have to go through the fed background check anyway? Seems strange....