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03-10-2010, 03:23 AM
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Over and over until we get it right!
The average travel of a Glock pistol trigger, as per specs, is 1/2 in. before it goes bang, trigger pull is 5.5 pounds. You can elect to go with an 8 pounds trigger. I would not call this "very light" and the trigger travel, which is 1/2 inch in length, in my opinion is quite good, trigger travel is long enough to allow for intention on the part of the shooter. I mean if they went to a 3/4 of an inch pull, for example, it would be way too long!. Look at a 1911 in the hands of a civilian, in an urban situation, very different from a battle field!. Once you unholster the weapon, the safety, with most shooters, automatically comes off, after you unholster the weapon as a practiced, learned reflex, notice that I stated with most shooters. You might be different, but once the safety comes off, now you have only about 1/8 of an in. of trigger travel and sometimes 3 1/2 to 5 pounds of trigger pull..... That is scary!!!! Check and measure that trigger travel please. An eye opener! If your gun, goes off because you are under stress and grip the weapon extra tight because your trigger finger is on the trigger.....BOOM, you just killed someone!! Yes, they are goners and now you are a murderer and you go to the big house for a long time, to room with BUBBA! If you get stressed out and forget to take the safety out of the "SAFE" position, (Historically, it has happened!) then it won't go BANG! Most people then start fumbling with the gun like they do at the range, if you observe who routinely these guys are, the ones who experience this are mostly the 1911 guys. Just observe who these guys are at the range! So they get to learn the fact that they routinely have to deal with malfunctions....negative training! It becomes part of the routine! It becomes a pattern then. (True, I have had 1911s, not fancy, GI models, that I never had an issue with) All they did was forget to take the weapon out of safety. In their minds it is just another gun malfunction! NOT!!! The safety is still on, that is why it aint going to go bang! This is my personal "beef" with the manufactures of some 1911 style firearms, they have been around for ever, yet they seem to have problems with feeding and extraction of cartridges. Why? So many have been manufactured! No learning curve! No logical explanation! This is why no law enforcement, or most of the law enforcement agencies choose not to have a single action only weapon with a manual safety. Thing of the past! The military is another story, but it is also another mission profile. SWAT teams, the same! It takes a trained person to do it right. Some here can do it as they make proper firearms handling a main focus in their lives. They train all the time! The average guy does not. At first, you might go through the romanticism of the 1911, a part of history! Well, shooting someone accidentally is not romantic, period! I have seen it.........So think through what this is about! Most limitations are set up in your mind, whatever "you buy into". You heard something that sounded right, your subconscious mind acquired it!. Please watch this! This is how advertising works. Please, get the facts! This is my opinion. It may be incorrect!. Learn your facts! Have fun !
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03-10-2010, 06:33 AM
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I get it but I think this is a weak argument as to why XD would be any safer given that you are having to take extra steps to handle a gun differently then they way you should. In my mind there is only one safe grip tech and that is master grip, if you break that then its a no go for me. On the other hand now that I think about it when I re holster I often change my grip a bit as its almost all the way in the holster. I think I tend to open palm the slide to be sure its seated in the holster fully. The part I am concerned about is letting my grip go before holstering but I am sure if you time your tech right its wont be an issue. If XD is just your choice that's all good my only issue is making the argument that its safer some how. Your hand is so close to the grip safety it would not take much to engage it. If its anything like my 1911's even the slightest pressure engages that safety and the gun will fire. What ever works for you is cool and you obviously know what you are doing so keep doing your thing. Last edited by Brian_1911 : 03-10-2010 at 06:36 AM.
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03-10-2010, 09:47 AM
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The other option is 'ISRAELI'-Style Carry, but you better practice it thousands of times. Every time we run a stage with an empty chamber start, there are lots of shooters who are more than surprised....
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03-10-2010, 06:37 PM
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Xffdo,
I am a 1911 enthusiast but it is, in the words of one instructor, "an expert's gun". You have to do things right, every time, no matter how stressed you might be, blah, blah. I keep Glocks for two reasons. First, if I am stressed, there is a little bit of margin to avoid firing on someone who does not deserve to be fired upon. Might not be enough or I might fire properly a little late, but that's a bargain you have to decide for yourself. Second, I am pretty confident that if you want the weapon to fire, and you have not been kind to it (kept it real clean, stayed out of mud, water, dust, etc.), it will still fire. I love my 1911's, but if it was into the wild with one gun...probably a Glock.
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03-10-2010, 08:26 PM
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For the record, I did not intend to try to sound like a Glock basher. Quite the opposite actually. One of the primary reasons I went with the XD, is because it has developed a real-world (Glock loyalists' opinions notwithstanding) capability on par with Glock. This has been tested over and over again by several publications and pro shooters. Even being mentioned in the same sentence as Glock in a discussion about reliability should be considered an honor...
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03-11-2010, 10:57 AM
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XD's have gained some popularity in the competitive shooting world because it has a trigger much closer to a 1911. There are enough accessories out there now to make the XD attractive as a first gun. It still has to run several hundred thousand rounds before I would call it the same as Glock.
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03-13-2010, 08:20 PM
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03-14-2010, 06:29 AM
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CalTeacher, for competition I use 3 G17's setup identically, all have fitted BarSto barrels, Heine sights, 3.5 Scherer connector, G21 mag release, and QwikGrips. Carry guns have stock barrels, G21 mag release, 3.5 factory Glock connectors, QwikGrips, and Trijicon Night sights. The neat thing about Glocks is they all work exactly the same and feel the same when you draw. Now there is difference in recoil between my G20, G31 and G17s....
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03-14-2010, 12:32 PM
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03-16-2010, 10:11 PM
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For anyone in an open carry situation (LEO/uniformed security, etc.), I can't imagine carrying a Glock without this:
http://www.cominolli.com/images/AmericanHGart2.pdf From what I have read I'm concerned about NDs while re-holstering. But it's not an issue for me. My guns says "Colt" (with an occasional S&W exception). I guess I'm old.....
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03-16-2010, 11:26 PM
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I have seen those Glock safeties in a bunch of gun Mags, and I read that article by Ayoob when it came out. I guess it is up to the owner to decide.
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03-17-2010, 02:00 AM
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My Glock is totally safe. It only firers when the trigger is pulled or pushed back by something
 .Really I'm a huge Glock fan. I've been shooting Glocks since I was 14 yrs. old. Glock has earned my respect. Reliable,Accurate,Light weight, affordable, proven, what's not to like. If you're a huge 1911 person, maybe the grip angel and light weight of the Glock may not be for you.
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03-17-2010, 02:23 AM
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03-17-2010, 09:05 AM
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 Most LEOs use retention holsters when carrying exposed to prevent unauthorized access to their duty weapon. A level 3 or above is pretty hard to defeat. LEO's also practice and are prepared to employ other techniques to prevent gun take-aways that I won't talk about on a public forum. To my way of thinking if you really think you need a thumb safety on your pistol buy one that comes with one.
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