Looking for opinions on Sig's DAK trigger

[ironpete]

I'm shopping for my next gun and one of the contenders is a SIG P239 in 9mm.

What do people think of Sig's DAK (Double-Action Kellerman) trigger?

I was informed of the differences between real DAO, Safe-Action and USA. I like the idea for gaming (just draw and fire). Self-defense is different I am a little concerned about safe carry. One esteemed founding member said (in reference to guns of the Safe-Action variety), "there are more accidental discharges with this type of weapon than with any others."

I find with my SAO weapon I am slightly more cautious/aware.
Even though it is a distant second to my safe handling I like the idea of a mechanical safety. Maybe this comes from my airgun (safety must be disengaged before each shot and re-engages automatically) or my rifle where I can engage a mechanical trigger stop. I know that is artificial, but it is there. With time this will probably go away.

Anyway, what are your experiences? What do you like and why?

Thanks in advance,
-Pete

[Apeman88]

Personally, I don't like SIG's DAK or HK's LEM or variations from other makers. All of them I have tried have long trigger pulls and the trigger is not as smooth/crisp as SA and even DA/SA.

As for safety issues... a few depts went with LEMs or DAKs for this reason. But I think if you know your gun well and can engage safety or decock properly and make it second nature to lowering your weapon, it is just as safe as any LEMs or DAKs.

Just my 2cent... others may feel different.

[X-ffdo]

I have heard accounts of instances where the person drawing the weapon has forgotten to disengage the safety prior to firing when under stress. Stressful situation can do that to you. The way to overcome that is through training and reenforcement ( repetitions). Training costs money, a single mistake when under stress can cost you your life. LE outfits want to cut cost to stay within their budgets.
The solution is to utilize a weapon that is simple to operate and straitforward.
The Glock came out and it fit the bill. Now they can cut back on training some more. The gun's safety is between your ears.
The DAK and LEM trigger is an attempt to replicate the performance of the Glock trigger, pure and simple.
I had an LEM trigger and sold it. Too long, too limp and stacking at the end. Not very accurate when I shot bench rest, compared to other guns. Mileage may vary. Test drive before you buy.
I have a high opinion of Sigs, I own one myself, regular trigger, haven't sold it. It is accurate, very reliable. I have not shot the DAK trigger, I have heard that it is a constant pull, no stacking, I like that. I don't like stacking as it tends to get your sights off the target when you most need it, right at the point the bullet flies.
Then again, test drive before you buy. Let your hands, eyes, and brain do those necessary things to make the bullets impact the target and then go with what works for YOU!
Go out and try to rent these and experiment to see which one you like.
As far as safe action being the ones with the most negligent discharges, look at the ratio of weapons out there, Safe Action are probably 3 to 1 as they dominate the market, specially in the LEO market, probably followed by Sigs and H&K. I am speaking of police and Federal agencies. SS, FBI, ICE....etc
FBI=Glocks, SS=Sigs, ICE=H&K, Beretta. TSA= H&K, SIG......
The safety is between your ears!
Pack the weapon of largest caliber you can shoot well that comes with the smallest package you carry confortably.

[prophet42]

some LE department wont allow "safe action type triggers"
LASO is one the use barretta's , they want the safty

[cksh8me]

I like the same trigger pull every time so I'm not a fan of SA/DA guns.

I do like revolvers and I didn't have any trouble shooting the DAK. Buy it Shoot it and Shoot it some more. It will wear in and get better with time. Do lots of dry fire practice. It will get better.

[Justaguy]

Originally Posted by X-ffdo

I have heard accounts of instances where the person drawing the weapon has forgotten to disengage the safety prior to firing when under stress. Stressful situation can do that to you.

My only relevant experience involved someone coming through my front door at O' dark thirty in the morning.

The safety on my O frame style weapon was disengaged as the weapon was brought up from low ready without conscious thought (all turned out well without harm to anyone).I have a specific recollection of engaging the safety as I brought the weapon down and I moved out of "condition red".

Maybe it's just practice but it all happened pretty much automatically.
But all of my handguns have almost always been revolvers or O frames.
It's what I know, it works, don't see any reason to change. YMMV.

[ironpete]

All,

Thanks for the input.

I'm feeling like I should just take the plunge (not that I need an excuse for another gun). I was looking at the Sig to be a backup or "minimal" carry weapon. I'll see how comfortable I am with it after a couple thousand rounds.

Primary was always going to be my Ultra Carry. Having only range experience with Glocks/XDs and DAOs I just wanted to hear some opinions.

"Shoot it...then shoot it some more." seems like the best ticket.

Thanks again,
-Peter

[SVTNate]

Pete,

I carry Glocks exclusively (for the moment). No matter what your carry gun may be, remember that a holstered gun is a safe gun - and it's only going to go BANG when you pull the trigger. I feel very comfortable carrying a chambered Glock, and would feel the same with DAK or LEM trigger systems. Personally I like HK's LEM much more than the DAK, but if you like it, be safe and smart. You'll be just fine.

As for "more ND's with Safe-Action type triggers than any other", I suspect that while the majority of those are due to moments of stupidity, remember the numbers. Glock alone can make up a majority of sidearms carried within the USA, just by their LEO sales. Of course, we all know that Glocks are popular for civilian CCW as well. So while the contention that Safe-Action style triggers are involved in more ND's than any other trigger system is very likely true... it's not because Safe Action is inherently unsafe or anything like that. It's because sometimes people do stupid things, and more people are out there carrying around those types of guns.

I would carry a DAK/LEM/Safe Action gun with confidence. The same rules of firearm safety apply as they would carrying anything else.