California DFG considers ban on lead ammo state wide.

[libertarian]

It's ok, with the price of ammo as high as it is, if they ban lead we'll just replace it with depleted uranium.

[scr83jp]

Lead has been used for centuries for dinner plates,water pipes,ammo,insulation,etc., if it's so toxic why is there anyone alive on the earth? I read the CA F&G Dept has teamed up with the Humane Society to protect endangered species.

[derringer]

Originally Posted by Karatediver

I'm sure the top tops are just as tasty as wheel weights found by the side of the road. Oh wait, those are also made of lead!

They're working on that too. All sources for lead are being threatened these days. Time to get a Blunderbuss for CCW in 2015.

[Aurelius]

the lead ammo sought to be banned is shot gun pellets. Birds east them and are poisoned. It has been extended to .22. unjacketed rounds (who uses those things anyway??!??) because birds will eat those too. Thje ban does not apply to standard rif;e ammo for game animaLS, most of which are now jacketed any way.

[Aurelius]

Originally Posted by scr83jp

Lead has been used for centuries for dinner plates,water pipes,ammo,insulation,etc., if it's so toxic why is there anyone alive on the earth? I read the CA F&G Dept has teamed up with the Humane Society to protect endangered species.

YOu know that the Romans lined their wine jugs with lead, right? And you know what happened to their civilization! Lead poisoning causes. among other things, severe brain damage.

Lead was used for ammunition because it has a low melting point, making it a simple matter to produce pellets, balls and conical projectiles. These were usually made in the home, or as during the Civil War, in the field. In other words, unlike modern ammo, you didn't need to buy it from a factory, a;though factory produced ammunition has been available since for a few hundred years. (Google 'shot tower" there's one in Baltimore.)

I really don't know why bird hunters are averse to steel shot, except that when it first came out I heard that there was a concern that it would score barrels. I think that that problem may have been resolved by modifying the plaxtic sabot inside the shell, so the pellets don't actually touch the sides of the barrel, but on that I am no expert.

[Tom98915]

Passed this along to all of my friends who hunt and/or shoot too.

[X-ffdo]

That got defeated.

[Tom98915]

Originally Posted by X-ffdo

That got defeated.

Defeated? Or simply tabled tabled until a later date, which is now?

[scr83jp]

Originally Posted by Dutchman

Though some of us here who don't hunt may feel this proposal will not effect you, consider the lead ban was only in the "condor zone". Now the state Dept. of Fish and Game is considering expanding the lead free zone beyond "condor habitat"

How long will it be before lead is banned in SD ammo, and ranges forced to have all lead removed or be closed down. Since the dfg has made it clear the lead ban is no longer about the condor, it's pretty clear that if guns can't be banned then ammo can simply be made prohibitively expensive.

Please take the time to write the dfg provided at the bottom of the link.

Thanks guys and gals.

NRA-ILA: Statewide Ban on Lead Ammunition Could Be Around the Corner!

All metal is toxic ,nothing is 100% safe!

[scr83jp]

Originally Posted by Aurelius

YOu know that the Romans lined their wine jugs with lead, right? And you know what happened to their civilization! Lead poisoning causes. among other things, severe brain damage.

Lead was used for ammunition because it has a low melting point, making it a simple matter to produce pellets, balls and conical projectiles. These were usually made in the home, or as during the Civil War, in the field. In other words, unlike modern ammo, you didn't need to buy it from a factory, a;though factory produced ammunition has been available since for a few hundred years. (Google 'shot tower" there's one in Baltimore.)

I really don't know why bird hunters are averse to steel shot, except that when it first came out I heard that there was a concern that it would score barrels. I think that that problem may have been resolved by modifying the plaxtic sabot inside the shell, so the pellets don't actually touch the sides of the barrel, but on that I am no expert.

Copper is toxic and poisonous as is steel,aluminum,silver,etc.

[derringer]

Originally Posted by Aurelius

Lead was used for ammunition because it has a low melting point, making it a simple matter to produce pellets, balls and conical projectiles.

A low melting point is only one of the benefits of using lead for projectiles. The main advantage as anyone knowledgeable in ballistics will tell you is summed up in one word- MASS (weight). It is mass that allows for long maximum useful ranges and retained energies, as well as bucking wind and minor obstruction deflection. Lead is also relatively plentiful and cheap. The only "common" metal that is heavier is gold, leaving lead the hands-down ideal projectile medium.

Originally Posted by Aurelius

I really don't know why bird hunters are averse to steel shot..........

Again...mass. Steel has less mass than lead, making for shorter maximum ranges, more wind deflection, a more curved trajectory, less retained energy, and more wounded animals. Once again, the liberals fail in the logic arena.

[EM2]

Let's not forget expansion. How well do you think steel would expand when shot into an animal?
The bottom line is all this lead ammo ban crap is about is control of others.

[Tom98915]

Originally Posted by derringer

A low melting point is only one of the benefits of using lead for projectiles. The main advantage as anyone knowledgeable in ballistics will tell you is summed up in one word- MASS (weight). It is mass that allows for long maximum useful ranges and retained energies, as well as bucking wind and minor obstruction deflection. Lead is also relatively plentiful and cheap. The only "common" metal that is heavier is gold, leaving lead the hands-down ideal projectile medium.



Again...mass. Steel has less mass than lead, making for shorter maximum ranges, more wind deflection, a more curved trajectory, less retained energy, and more wounded animals. Once again, the liberals fail in the logic arena.

Wait - you are talking about LIBERALS, not about intelligent life.

[Keith92555]

Originally Posted by derringer

A low melting point is only one of the benefits of using lead for projectiles. The main advantage as anyone knowledgeable in ballistics will tell you is summed up in one word- MASS (weight). It is mass that allows for long maximum useful ranges and retained energies, as well as bucking wind and minor obstruction deflection. Lead is also relatively plentiful and cheap. The only "common" metal that is heavier is gold, leaving lead the hands-down ideal projectile medium.



Again...mass. Steel has less mass than lead, making for shorter maximum ranges, more wind deflection, a more curved trajectory, less retained energy, and more wounded animals. Once again, the liberals fail in the logic arena.

When I hit the lottery, I will be shooting gold ammo exclusively.