CCW reciprocity

[RomanDad]

Originally Posted by Bombard

RD, IANAL but didn't SC reject that in Gonzales v. Raich? Allowing federal supremacy via ICC even in health and safety issues?

It's all moot, anyway. There's no chance it will pass in a Dem controlled Congress with Nancy Pelosi as Speaker.

Thats not totally correct... You have to look at Raich in the inverse of normal ICC cases because there the FEDS wanted STRICTER regulation than the states. Since the issue there was the DEREGULATION of narcotics laws by the States, versus the feds interest in the continued regulation of the trafficking therof, its really not a case that will go much further than itself.

Id be willing to talk to you more about it one on one, but Ive used up my daily "serious post" quotient.


(and yes... This doesnt get past a DEMOCRATIC FILIBUSTER, let alone a Dem controlled congress)

[Jarhead1978]

Well I know that Michigan will honor my California CCW license... Hey Michigan will honor any other states CCW license!! I even legally fly commerically with my weapons in my checked luggage, back to the Detroit area.

It would be nice if we had reciporical CCW privilages in all 50 states. I can't carry in Oregon or Nevada our neighboring states, but their CCW license holders can't play here in the Golden State either!

[ADIDAS]

National CCW had been proposed by Cliff Searns for years, but the bill never got to a vote in a so called "Gun Friendly Congress.

As ong as we have House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, the bill is dead unless they can get a discharge petition.

Of course the bill does have symbolic value, espeically if they can get a vote in the Senate.

You would think twith the new love for the 2nd amendment by both Hilliary and Barrack, that it would be a slam dunk.

It would be interesting to see if pro gun Dems are really pro gun, Supporting a dischare petition and making it really haped would really shake things up.

Adidas

[RomanDad]

Originally Posted by ADIDAS

National CCW had been proposed by Cliff Searns for years, but the bill never got to a vote in a so called "Gun Friendly Congress.

As ong as we have House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, the bill is dead unless they can get a discharge petition.

Of course the bill does have symbolic value, espeically if they can get a vote in the Senate.

You would think twith the new love for the 2nd amendment by both Hilliary and Barrack, that it would be a slam dunk.

It would be interesting to see if pro gun Dems are really pro gun, Supporting a dischare petition and making it really haped would really shake things up.

Adidas

Obama has already openly said how much contempt he has for gunowners (and folks, its not about THE GUNS... It NEVER HAS BEEN... Its about them loathing the people who own them... Its the last politically correct prejudice... A hatred by democrats of their fellow americans who still believe in the VALUES the country was founded upon. They express that hatred and punish those Americans by outlawing the activities those people enjoy engaging in. Its a passive-aggressive, ego driven psychosis.)

And Hilary? The clintons are the best hucksters and liars this country has ever seen.... Bill gave us eight years of "aww shucks, im jus' a good ol' boy in ma El Camino with a shotgun rack!! HEEHAWW!!!" when he was on the campaign trail. And 8 years of doing everything he could to outlaw guns when behind closed doors....


NEVER TRUST ANY OF THEM AGAIN!

[RomanDad]

Originally Posted by ADIDAS

National CCW had been proposed by Cliff Searns for years, but the bill never got to a vote in a so called "Gun Friendly Congress.

As ong as we have House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, the bill is dead unless they can get a discharge petition.

Of course the bill does have symbolic value, espeically if they can get a vote in the Senate.

You would think twith the new love for the 2nd amendment by both Hilliary and Barrack, that it would be a slam dunk.

It would be interesting to see if pro gun Dems are really pro gun, Supporting a dischare petition and making it really haped would really shake things up.

Adidas

Obama has already openly said how much contempt he has for gunowners... And folks, its not about THE GUNS... It NEVER HAS BEEN... Its about them loathing the people who own them... Its the last politically correct prejudice... A hatred by democrats of their fellow americans whom still believe in the VALUES the country was founded upon. They express that hatred and punish those Americans by outlawing the activities those people enjoy engaging in. Its a passive-aggressive, ego driven psychosis. To them, the elected representatives of the left and their useful idiot supporters, if you believe in God, You're just an uneducated fool. If you believe in Americas greatness, you're just a xenophobic hick who's never been outside his one horse town. And if you own a gun, youre either a criminal, or you're trailer trash. The great irony of course, is that most of them go to church every week (for show) wave the flag at every opportunity (they hold their noses when they do) and that most of them OWN GUNS themselves (or alternatively travel with heavily armed security details). They of course, never aim any of that scathing criticism that they so glibly toss out at millions of the people they pretend to represent, at themselves. After all, they are part of the ruling class and dont need to bother themselves with the tricky details of self criticism or hypocrisy. They have thousands if not millions of people cheering and voting for them, and with that goes a sense of entitlement that knows no bounds.

And Hilary? The clintons are the best hucksters and liars this country has ever seen.... Bill gave us eight years of "aww shucks, im jus' a good ol' boy in ma El Camino with a shotgun rack!! HEEHAWW!!!" when he was on the campaign trail. And 8 years of doing everything he could to outlaw guns when behind closed doors....


NEVER TRUST ANY OF THEM AGAIN!

[Bombard]

Originally Posted by RomanDad

NEVER TRUST ANY OF THEM AGAIN!

Don't hold back, RD. Share with us. How do you really feel?

I absolutely believe that Barak and Hillary support gun rights.

On Wednesdays.

In a leap year.

During a lunar eclipse.

When they're in a red state and there's an election upcoming.

With their fingers crossed.

[Justaguy]

Originally Posted by RomanDad

Thats not totally correct... You have to look at Raich in the inverse of normal ICC cases because there the FEDS wanted STRICTER regulation than the states. Since the issue there was the DEREGULATION of narcotics laws by the States, versus the feds interest in the continued regulation of the trafficking therof, its really not a case that will go much further than itself.

And I thought the computer nerds here are hard to understand....

[RomanDad]

Originally Posted by Justaguy

And I thought the computer nerds here are hard to understand....

Thats why we get paid the big bucks.... If you cant blind them with your brilliance, BAFFLE THEM WITH BULL****.

[ADIDAS]

I read that Hillary and Obama were both campaigning as being pro gun in pro gun states and saying they support the 2nd amendment.

A national ccw bill would be a really interesting bill to come up for a vote in the Congress, especially after the SCOTUS rules on the "Heller case".

It would be interesting to watch how they squirm away from this one.

4 million people have ccw permits and the numbers are growing.

Most people have driver's licenses and those are recoginzed in 50 states.

Many people outside of California don't think it is unreasonable that the same should apply to ccw permits.

Your need for self defense doens't go away when you cross state lines.

ADIDAS

[shrike5000]

Yes, it does matter, because hopefully this will get media attention. Weve got to start somewhere, is this it. I'll be voting for whoever can help us CA citizens first.

[muscleman_coffeemesto]

Originally Posted by sealbeach

Yep, there a number of legal documents that must be accepted in other states: drivers license, birth certificate, notary certification, marriage license, death certificate, car registration, proof of insurance, etc. etc. IANAL, but is does seem strange that a state issued CCW becomes null when you cross a state line, unless the states have worked out a special deal. If that bill passes it would be a HUGE step in the direction.

True, but I can't notify a document outside of California, or practice real estate in another state without getting a real estate license there. As for marriage, how about we start accepting gay marriages from Hawaii then?

[Nightingale]

Originally Posted by muscleman_coffeemesto

As for marriage, how about we start accepting gay marriages from Hawaii then?

I don't understand why we don't.

[Bombard]

Originally Posted by Nightingale

I don't understand why we don't.

As a matter of law, the Defense of Marriage Act, and in our state Prop 22.

As a matter of practicality, because 68% of Hawii's voters were in favor of the Save Traditional Marriage constitutional ammendment in '98. So they don't have same sex marriage there.

[Nightingale]

I could start in with the legal arguments, but enough with the thread drift...

Having CCW permits only honored in some states is frustrating, inconvenient, and a lot to keep track of. Requiring all states to accept permits from other states would be great as a practical matter, but I'm not sure how Congress could do it under the constitution, because I think (hope!) the commerce clause doesn't stretch that far, and someone else already went into the other powers of Congress.

[Bombard]

Originally Posted by Nightingale

I could start in with the legal arguments, but enough with the thread drift...

Having CCW permits only honored in some states is frustrating, inconvenient, and a lot to keep track of. Requiring all states to accept permits from other states would be great as a practical matter, but I'm not sure how Congress could do it under the constitution, because I think (hope!) the commerce clause doesn't stretch that far, and someone else already went into the other powers of Congress.

I'd hope that too, but near as this non-lawyer can tell the commerce clause is infinitely elastic and covers everything from taxes to breathing. Old cynic that I am, I think it should be renamed "The Federal Government Can Do Anything It Damned Well Pleases Clause."

But - as RD said - there's no way it gets past a Democrat filibuster, let alone Speaker Pelosi.