Sac County Question

[Derkwing]

I need to know if it would be better to Apply for a CCW in Sacramento Now or wait until we get a new sheriff? I have good cause, however i just don't want to get denied and have that on my record.

[Calflyer90]

If you have no criminal record, as well as no domestic violence or DUI in your background, you should not have a problem getting a CCW in Sac County. Personal Protection is a valid reason but may seem a bit vague. DO NOT state "because I believe I have the right to carry according to the constitution" if you are serious about getting it. If you are a responsible citizen without any disqualifying events, you should be OK.

[3boyzmom]

Originally Posted by Calflyer90

If you have no criminal record, as well as no domestic violence or DUI in your background, you should not have a problem getting a CCW in Sac County. Personal Protection is a valid reason but may seem a bit vague. DO NOT state "because I believe I have the right to carry according to the constitution" if you are serious about getting it. If you are a responsible citizen without any disqualifying events, you should be OK.

I'm sorry, but this is not correct for Sacramento County. Personal Protection has not been, and still is not, sufficient cause in our county for obtaining a CCW. You are correct when you say a criminal record, DUI and domestic violence would be a problem for obtaining one, as would any history of drug or alcohol abuse.

Sacramento County is certainly not a "does not issue" county as it has been in the past, but a poorly-written and vague good cause statement citing "Personal Protection" as your good cause is almost certain grounds for denial. And yes, I have received mine within the last 6-9 months as you asked on another thread....

I believe you said you don't live in the county. Perhaps someone with more experience than "having a couple friends" should answer questions about good cause and CCW issuance.

To the OP, if you have questions or concerns about your good cause, write it up and email it to Greg@Firearmsinstruction.com . It still remains to be seen which candidate will be truly supportive of our 2A rights. If you have good cause, go ahead and apply. If you're attempting a "personal protection" good cause, I would wait...

That's my $.02

[akulahawk]

Originally Posted by Calflyer90

If you have no criminal record, as well as no domestic violence or DUI in your background, you should not have a problem getting a CCW in Sac County. Personal Protection is a valid reason but may seem a bit vague. DO NOT state "because I believe I have the right to carry according to the constitution" if you are serious about getting it. If you are a responsible citizen without any disqualifying events, you should be OK.

There is a thread on CalGuns basically calling Sacramento County residents to apply with simply "Personal Protection" as their good cause. At this point, I do not believe that will do anything but put $20 from each of those applicants into the County Coffer. I hope you're not getting your info from that thread.

Right now, a good, strong GC is required. Perhaps that will change in the coming months, from the Courts. Perhaps Scott Jones will stick to his campaign promise about CCW and be MUCH less stringent... Time will tell!

[3boyzmom]

Well crap...we all know what valuable information I got over at Calguns.

[akulahawk]

I suspect that they're asking people to do this for some other motive... It wasn't a "Personal Protection is good for Sacramento" thing, it seemed to be "apply, and we'll thump the Sheriff with it..." thing. It's probably related to upcoming cases/decisions.

[3boyzmom]

Originally Posted by akulahawk

I suspect that they're asking people to do this for some other motive... It wasn't a "Personal Protection is good for Sacramento" thing, it seemed to be "apply, and we'll thump the Sheriff with it..." thing. It's probably related to upcoming cases/decisions.

And actually, what's unfortunate about that is all it will do is slow things down for people who have done their homework...IMHO.

[akulahawk]

I agree. Getting them slammed with PP type applications may actually slow the process way down for everyone else. Another potential adverse side effect...

[Calflyer90]

3boyzmom. I didn't mean to imply that personal protection was sufficient in itself as a justification, that is why I said not to be vague about your reasons. BTW, I previously have had the CCW in other counties and have recently moved so had to update my county for licensing purposes. I agree with your statement
"Sacramento County is certainly not a "does not issue" county as it has been in the past, but a poorly-written and vague good cause statement citing "Personal Protection" as your good cause is almost certain grounds for denial. And yes, I have received mine within the last 6-9 months as you asked on another thread...." but your opinion of my knowledge level and/or experience in this subject is incorrect. PM me if you want to discuss in more detail - off the boards.

[Calflyer90]

Following up the previous conversations, I actually just got off the phone with Scott Jones and he stated that personal protection IS sufficient reason to be granted a CCW. Obviously, if you have a history of violence, DUI or other excluding issues all bets are off. More specific information is coming from Scott Jones himself to CalCCW.net.

[akulahawk]

Reading your other post on the thread, the policy change would occur during his tenure as Sheriff, if he's elected. Given the "new" status of 2A incorporation, and the upcoming Sykes case, it's possible that policy decisions will largely be taken away from the Sherff in this area of responsibility.

[thebronze]

Originally Posted by Calflyer90

Following up the previous conversations, I actually just got off the phone with Scott Jones and he stated that personal protection IS sufficient reason to be granted a CCW. Obviously, if you have a history of violence, DUI or other excluding issues all bets are off. More specific information is coming from Scott Jones himself to CalCCW.net.

I'm assuming that he's talking about if/when he becomes Sheriff, not as it is currently, correct?

(FWIW, I think Jones is being disingenuous at best, when he's saying this.)

[3boyzmom]

Originally Posted by Calflyer90

Following up the previous conversations, I actually just got off the phone with Scott Jones and he stated that personal protection IS sufficient reason to be granted a CCW. Obviously, if you have a history of violence, DUI or other excluding issues all bets are off. More specific information is coming from Scott Jones himself to CalCCW.net.

That would matter if he were currently Sheriff. The OP's question related to current policy, and I answered according to current policy. Currently, Sacramento County does not honor "personal protection" as a valid good cause for issuance.

Another note, because I didn't see it before now....I replied to the information you presented, (that you had friends who gave you the information about Sac County). If you identify yourself as someone who does not live in the county and got their information from "friends," it is a normal reaction to ask that someone with more experience answer the question. I'm sorry you were offended by that. It's not a pissing contest- I was just trying to get accurate information out there, realizing someone with more experience (no, not me. I was referring to Greg) should answer questions when there is a dispute.

[jb7706]

Originally Posted by 3boyzmom

And actually, what's unfortunate about that is all it will do is slow things down for people who have done their homework...IMHO.

That may be true, however if you look at the bigger picture this is how we get California as close to Shall Issue as it will ever be. Not just in the rural counties, but in Sacramento, San Francisco, LA etc. So if the OP wants to use Personal Protection or Self Defense then go for it. If/when denied/issued the OP has just helped law suits that will benefit the entire state. Just let one of the folks on CGN know so that the $20 will not be wasted.

In spite of your treatment over there by several know it all knuckle dragger's there are some very intelligent people that are driving a very successful campaign to restore our gun rights. Take a look at the Sykes suit. Know that within a short time (in legal flow) there is a very high likelihood that Sacramento County will be issuing for Personal Protection.

[3boyzmom]

Originally Posted by jb7706

That may be true, however if you look at the bigger picture this is how we get California as close to Shall Issue as it will ever be. Not just in the rural counties, but in Sacramento, San Francisco, LA etc. So if the OP wants to use Personal Protection or Self Defense then go for it. If/when denied/issued the OP has just helped law suits that will benefit the entire state. Just let one of the folks on CGN know so that the $20 will not be wasted.

In spite of your treatment over there by several know it all knuckle dragger's there are some very intelligent people that are driving a very successful campaign to restore our gun rights. Take a look at the Sykes suit. Know that within a short time (in legal flow) there is a very high likelihood that Sacramento County will be issuing for Personal Protection.

Can we please remember something- the OP asked: "Should I apply now or wait?" And the answer that was given was "Apply now. Personal Protection is a valid reason for issuance." That answer was not correct for Sacramento County at this time. The OP expressed concern about a denial, and if he applied NOW citing personal protection as his good cause, he would most-likely be denied.

Now then, if he asked the question and someone answered "apply now and then when you get denied, let someone know so they can add you to one of the numberous lawsuits going on" that's fine. Let him decide how to handle it. But the intent of his question certainly was "what's my best bet?"

Now to answer your point about Calguns and "the bigger picture"....If, as Akulahawk mentioned, Calguns is saying (in effect) "Apply and we'll thump the Sheriff with it," that is very different than "Apply because Personal Protection is a valid cause for issuance." If you're trying to get people to apply using PP as their good cause just so you can get the denials, then tell them that. Don't trick them into thinking they're going to be approved using PP as their GC. When Calflyer said the OP should have "no problem" being issued a CCW for PP, that was misinformation and I wanted to clear it up. If he obtained that information on Calguns, as Akulahawk mentioned was a possibility, then he should've been clear about his intentions when he gave that answer....

I don't doubt that the intelligent people over at Calguns are working very hard via their lawsuits to restore our gun rights, and I'm both thankful for that AND a financial contributor. (Yes, I contributed to Calguns because I believe in what they're doing.) But I will tell you this- when it comes to the actual boards, I have little to no respect for what goes on there. I received a multitude of misinformation from people who were disrespectful, sexist and rude. I was bashed both publicly and via PM in ways that most of you would never tolerate for a minute. I was told I was stupid, didn't understand the laws, shouldn't have a CCW, and should just leave my guns at home. I was also told to "stay on the women's board and let the MEN discuss the REAL ISSUES." So if someone comes here and says, "Apply. Personal Protection is valid" because of some "drive" on Calguns to get people to apply using PP as their GC- yeah, that's not going to go very far with me.

The OP asked a question- not because he wanted to be part of some larger picture or lawsuit- but because he wanted to know if he had a chance of obtaining a CCW. That's the information he came for, and that's the information I gave him.