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Old 08-26-2009, 09:18 AM
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A good reminder that the work being done in OC DOES reverberate around the state.
It was really cool when Charney mentioned that the Resolution was copied from the Orange County BOS. A couple of the Supervisors knew of the Orange County Sheriff going to no-issue and couldn't believe she had gone against the BOS. That tidbit of info changed the expression of Santiago and seemed to resonate with the BOS.

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THANK YOU CalCCW AND ORANGE COUNTY FOR SETTING THE STAGE!!
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Old 08-26-2009, 11:19 AM
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Ptbarnacle, thanks for keeping on top of this. It's great news.
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A good reminder that the work being done in OC DOES reverberate around the state.
In my many postings, blogs, comments, and letters in support of the citizens of Orange County and the actions of organizations like CalCCW.com, I have often said that "What happens in Orange County can and does have an impact beyond it's own borders".

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[quote=ptbarnacle;156818 Charney authored the resolution from the Orange County model. [/QUOTE]

Wow! We're having some influence at least.
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A good reminder that the work being done in OC DOES reverberate around the state.
Told ya so!
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this place needs a acronym dictionary, what is BOS?
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this place needs a acronym dictionary, what is BOS?
BOS- Board Of Supervisors

Lol- Laugh out Loud

In the beginning, I had to go on Urban Distionary several times to find out what these weirdos meant. Now I guess I've become one of them.
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I thought of several, but board of supervisors wasnt one of em, should have been a no-brainer but..........

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Coverage from the Tahoe Daily Tribune.

--> Looser CCW issuance policy supported by Supes
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PLACERVILLE -- Citizens unhappy with Sheriff Jeff Neves over permits to carry concealed weapons took their complaints to the El Dorado County Board of Supervisors last week. They asked for a resolution that would put pressure on the sheriff to ease restrictions that they say have made it more difficult to obtain such permits.

Supervisors voted unanimously to pass a resolution of support but stopped short of accepting all of the wording in the proposal. ...

Ken Greenwood of Straight Shot Consulting has been attending board meetings over the summer, calling the panel's attention to the issue. He presented a two-page letter chastising the sheriff for requiring far more than what the statute requires, which is “an arduous procedure outlined by Section 12050 of the Penal Code and the statewide application form.”

He went on to describe clients and family members who were, in his view, denied Carry Concealed Weapons permits by Neves, arbitrarily and without good cause.

Before the meeting, Greenwood handed out paper signs that read, “Vote Yes on Self Defense!” and “I Refuse to be a Victim!” ...
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"If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." The Dalai Lama
"Gun bans don't disarm criminals, gun bans attract them." Walter Mondale, VP
"Gun control? It's the best thing you can do for crooks and gangsters. I want you to have nothing." Sammy "The Bull" Gravano
"A system of licensing and registration is the perfect device to deny gun ownership to the bourgeoisie." Lenin, Creator of the USSR
"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms." Hitler
"To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them." George Mason, Father of the Bill of Rights
"I would rather have India resort to arms in order to defend her honor than that she should in a cowardly manner become or remain a helpless witness to her own dishonor." Gandhi
The right of citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government." Hubert H Humphrey, VP
"Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life." John F Kennedy
"Ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the state." Heinrich Himmler, Head of Nazi SS
"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy." George Orwell
"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in their government." Jefferson
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Old 09-06-2009, 03:52 PM
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Yes, history was made August 25 and 27! Both rooms were packed with Pro-2A people and they could not ignore us. Together we made a difference!

I wrote up an incredibly long (13 pp in WORD) review of both the BOS Hearing and the Candidates Forum. It is too long to repeat here. If you would like to see it, contact me via e-mail and I will send it to you.

Others have provided a good overview and caught a few I missed, and missed a few I caught... I have a DVD on order of the meeting waiting for me at the BOS. There will be a video of the Forum available soon at: El Dorado County Republican Party - El Dorado County, California It will be interesting to see "what really happened" at both events.

The good news is that we elevated the issue to local, state and national status (as it made all three venues via the NRA Daily Update on Aug 25 and 31, see my “media post” at http://www.calccw.com/Forums/announc...-page-nra.html ) and sent a clear message to current and future Sheriffs!

BTW: The second speaker was not John D'Agostini’s “running mate.” He is a local Political Consultant who is working on John’s campaign and a long time 2A advocate. I was third and all three of us had a hand in getting Supervisor Nutting to sponsor the resolution and contributed to the wording. “Charny” is the correct spelling of the gun club President’s name.

And: Supervisor Briggs supported us wholeheartedly and really stole the show with the closing remark after the vote and before the call for a 15 minute recess: "It might be his Department, but it’s our County!"

So many contributed and most are listed in my write up. The real heroes are those who wrote, called and faxed the BOS and spoke at the hearing (over ½ were my students). Thanks to the OC people for a template to build on. Words were changed to be applicable to the situation here and encourage a “Shall Issue policy” by the Sheriff.

The "Shall Issue" statement was derailed by Supervisor Knight and the BOS Lawyer who pointed out that CA is a "May Issue" state and the proposed wording was inconsistent with statue (So what? The Resolution is advisory and not binding on the Sheriff!). Despite each BOS member saying they supported such a concept, the words "Personal Self Defense is Good Cause" did not make it into the final Resolution. I do hope they revisit it, but don’t recall it was suggested to do so during or after the hearing (need to watch the DVD). I have suggested it to two BOS members I have spoken with since, but my sources indicate there is no immediate movement in that direction. They return September 15. Watch their agenda site every Thursday for what's on Tuesday: Meetings Calendar

The El Dorado County BOS has a long history of supporting the 2nd Amendment and our basic rights. I moved here in May 1989 just after the BOS adopted a Resolution (presumably what Sweeney spoke of as he was a member then) affirming our 2A rights and opposing the Roberti-Roos “Assault Weapon” Ban. I thought, "Did I move to the right place or what!" It energized me to join the NRA and become active. I joined the local gun club, became an RSO, became the 4-H Shooting Sports Leader/Trainer and co-found the local Friends of NRA group. With that event in mind, I wrote and approached the BOS in January 2000 with the first ever in the US, “Friends of NRA Day” Proclamation to support our dinner along with a guest OP-ED in the local paper. It passed 5-0 and stirred up some opposition, but the BOS “proclaims the same” every year to this day. In December 2001 they voted 5-0 to “Proclaim” December 15 each year as "Bill of Rights Day" to celebrate the adoption of that historic document in 1791. I wrote and promoted that proclamation after reading about the idea online. I provided a color copy of the Bill of Rights and it has been displayed at the front counter of their office ever since. This is truly an inspirational place to live! "Just outside the razor wire of Sacramento in a piece of Free America" as described by the Gun Owners of California lobbyist who showed for the BOS hearing. And yes, that was me handing out the signs!

The Sheriff Candidates Forum was beyond incredible; 615 in Standing Room Only! But indeed, as has been suggested, the questions were a bit easy. They fell over one another to convince us they were the best thing going for us CCW types... Exactly as claimed by the current Sheriff in 2002... (Who attends the Friends of NRA dinners, but usually leaves right after the food and introductions. He also joined the NRA as an Annual member at the same time he filed for papers in 2001.) Caution should be our guide.

The CalCCW members’ observations of “slickness” and “down home” were right on. Perez and Luca ascended into management and clearly liked it there (Luca did caution us to show some restraint, as Sacramento likes to get revenge – Gene Bird of Isleton PD and the law passed to stop his bold program immediately came to mind!). Larry Hennick and John D’Agostini are grass roots, definitely CCW friendly and want to serve at the community level. Ernie Hillman is personable, 2A savvy and knowledgeable of the Department. Therkildsen is endorsed by the current Sheriff and would continue with the same staff = same policies that is part of the CCW problem now (he was the only one to endorse the “3 Letters” policy!). Chief Nielson is a good guy, supported by those I know on his Department, not a politician (was nervous and read prepared answers) and said he would review and sign every License. We sure could be a lot worse off!

To see where the real differences are, I am working on a very specific set of questions to be submitted to them individually and responded to in writing on "Just What are you going to do, How and When?" Including: “NRA membership? How long and what level?” “Where have you been active?” And "How will you promote AB 357 and other pro self defense bills in Uniform once elected?" I spoke in favor of AB 357 at the Assembly Public Safety Committee hearing this spring. There was an ANTI AB 357 Sheriff from Stanislaus Co. there in uniform, but NO Pro-2A Sheriff's. It went down in flames on a party line vote (surprise!?) but a Pro 2A Sheriff or two in uniform could have made a difference. "Placerville is 45 min from the Capitol; will you go there in uniform to support our rights? If so, how?" All these are questions that must be answered.

Again, my summary of both events includes more questions. Any good ones you can think of are encouraged.

Together, we ARE making a difference!

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