Revoked on April 13th? ... not so fast, maybe not?

[gjj]

I have seen a letter that one person received regarding the appointed Sheriff's intention to revoke their permit. I don't have it in front of me. However, it says something to the effect:

Give up your permit or your CCW will be revoked on 4/13.

The wording implies that the action of REVOKING will occur on 4/13. It is an intention to take a future action. However, it is critical to understand that this is a statement of an action that they intend to take in the future. It has not happened and they have not officially revoked the CCW.

If it were revoked they would need to say "you CCW is revoked as of 4/13".

No action of revoking has occured. Furthermore, no notification of this complete action has occured.

(I intend to run 5 miles today, lift weights, and do 1000 situps. So far, I have not done these things. I may just sit on the couch and eat ice cream. Who knows?)

[Barky]

I wish you the best in all fronts.

[rhbanjo]

My letter says "The purpose of this letter is to provide you with official notice that unless you request that your current Carry Concealed Weapon (CCW) license expire on April 13, 2009, it will be revoked on that date."
It goes on to say that your returned CCW license will be treated as your request to have your license expire early. You will not be penalized by having your record expunged in the quarter following your voluntary request. If you do not, then your record will show it is revoked until the quarter after it normally would expire- (as stated in your contract with the Orange County Sheriff Dept.). In my case that will be March, 2010. Letter is signed Captain Nighswonger.

[CCW Biker]

Originally Posted by rhbanjo

My letter says "The purpose of this letter is to provide you with official notice that unless you request that your current Carry Concealed Weapon (CCW) license expire on April 13, 2009, it will be revoked on that date."
It goes on to say that your returned CCW license will be treated as your request to have your license expire early. You will not be penalized by having your record expunged in the quarter following your voluntary request. If you do not, then your record will show it is revoked until the quarter after it normally would expire- (as stated in your contract with the Orange County Sheriff Dept.). In my case that will be March, 2010. Letter is signed Captain Nighswonger.

So the letter actually said " as stated in your[i]contract[i] with Orange County Sheriff Dept" ?
If so it's very interesting that they view the CCW as a contract. After all the discussions on this site and others about contract law and its possible implications in the OC revocations they must think they; A) have a outstanding legal counsel adviser, B) can scare everyone off of trying to sue on the basis of contract law, or C) an ego the size of a LAPD Police Chief and the brains of a retarded Chiahuahua.
It's amazing to me that a public official will go to such lengths to save face once they have dug their heels into such a steaming pile of dung. You just know that their view would be so much different if they were footing the possible legal bills! Maybe The A. S. would like to hurry the whole issue of the OCSD behavior at the OC Supes meetings up in court as well. (We know its heading there anyway )
I have to say from a distance this is so funny to watch unfold.
Hang in there OC residents, Standing and watching on the outside you just know where this is going. 2010?, Nah, I say she'll never last that long. It's only the method of and exact timing that is in doubt. Maybe we should get a pool going to between members here. Maybe a combination of Closest date, and Method, ie. dismissal?, quitting?, or complete mental breakdown?

[CCW Biker]

Originally Posted by rhbanjo

My letter says "The purpose of this letter is to provide you with official notice that unless you request that your current Carry Concealed Weapon (CCW) license expire on April 13, 2009, it will be revoked on that date."
It goes on to say that your returned CCW license will be treated as your request to have your license expire early. You will not be penalized by having your record expunged in the quarter following your voluntary request. If you do not, then your record will show it is revoked until the quarter after it normally would expire- (as stated in your contract with the Orange County Sheriff Dept.). In my case that will be March, 2010. Letter is signed Captain Nighswonger.

So the letter actually said " as stated in your[i]contract[i] with Orange County Sheriff Dept" ?
If so it's very interesting that they view the CCW as a contract. After all the discussions on this site and others about contract law and it's possible implications in the OC revocations they must think they; A) have a outstanding legal counsel adviser, B) can scare everyone off of trying to sue on the basis of contract law, or C) an ego the size of a LAPD Police Chief and the brains of a retarded Chiahuahua.
It's always amazing to me that a public official will go to such lengths to save face once they have dug their heels into such a steaming pile of dung. You just know that their view would be so much different if they were footing the possible legal bills! Maybe The A. S. would like to hurry the whole issue of the OCSD behavior at the OC Supes meetings up in court as well. (We know its heading there anyway )
I have to say from a distance this is so funny to watch unfold.
Hang in there OC residents, Standing and watching on the outside you just know where this is going. 2010?, Nah, I say she'll never last that long. It's only the method of and exact timing that is in doubt. Maybe we should get a pool going to between members here. Maybe a combination of Closest date, and Method, ie. dismissal?, quitting?, or complete mental breakdown?

[CCW Biker]

Sorry about the dupe post, dont know how it happened!

[CCW Biker]

Originally Posted by rhbanjo

My letter says "The purpose of this letter is to provide you with official notice that unless you request that your current Carry Concealed Weapon (CCW) license expire on April 13, 2009, it will be revoked on that date."
It goes on to say that your returned CCW license will be treated as your request to have your license expire early. You will not be penalized by having your record expunged in the quarter following your voluntary request. If you do not, then your record will show it is revoked until the quarter after it normally would expire- (as stated in your contract with the Orange County Sheriff Dept.). In my case that will be March, 2010. Letter is signed Captain Nighswonger.

So the letter actually said " as stated in your[i]contract[i] with Orange County Sheriff Dept" ?
If so it's very interesting that they view the CCW as a contract. After all the discussions on this site and others about contract law and its possible implications in the OC revocations they must think they; A) have a outstanding legal counsel adviser, B) can scare everyone off of trying to sue on the basis of contract law, or C) an ego the size of a LAPD Police Chief and the brains of a retarded Chiahuahua.
It's amazing to me that a public official will go to such lengths to save face once they have dug their heels into such a steaming pile of dung. You just know that their view would be so much different if they were footing the possible legal bills! Maybe The A. S. would like to hurry the whole issue of the OCSD behavior at the OC Supes meetings up in court as well. (We know its heading there anyway )
I have to say from a distance this is so funny to watch unfold.
Hang in there OC residents, Standing and watching on the outside you just know where this is going. 2010?, Nah, I say she'll never last that long. It's only the method of and exact timing that is in doubt. Maybe we should get a pool going to between members here. Maybe a combination of Closest date, and Method, ie. dismissal?, quitting?, or complete mental breakdown?

[gjj]

"it will be revoked on that date."

That means that they have not formally revoked it yet. The action has not taken place. It is an intention. They need to do it on that date and notify you of the action. If I were your boss and told you that you better quit your job or you will be fired this Friday, you could choose to stay at work. Then, I would have to walk up to you Friday and fire you.

Words mean things.

[swdr]

Originally Posted by rhbanjo

"The purpose of this letter is to provide you with official notice that unless you request that your current Carry Concealed Weapon (CCW) license expire on April 13, 2009, it will be revoked on that date."

Per PC 12050 subdivision (e) paragraph (3):

"If the local licensing authority revokes the license, the Department of Justice shall be notified of the revocation pursuant to Section 12053. The licensee shall also be immediately notified of the revocation in writing."

Looks like they have to notify you in writing at the time the license is revoked, which is significantly different from telling you about their future plans well before the license is revoked.

[Ken_In_Colo]

Originally Posted by CCW Biker

So the letter actually said " as stated in your[i]contract[i] with Orange County Sheriff Dept" ?
If so it's very interesting that they view the CCW as a contract. After all the discussions on this site and others about contract law...

Could this be one of those things that Hillary calls an AH HA moment? A member of the OCSD command staff admitting, in writing no less, that it is a contract?

[rhbanjo]

NO!!!! the reason I put that in parentheses is because those are MY WORDS - the information from the Sheriff Dept is in Quotations!! The Sheriff would never admit this is a contract.
How the heck do these things get so twisted?
To SWDR: they DID notify me- If you don't turn in your license voluntarily, it is revoked as of April 13.
AGAIN- the Sheriff NEVER said it was a contract! Those were MY words and that is the reason I had it in Parenthesis!!! Please don't put words in my mouth! I'm already sorry I responded at all!

[gjj]

rhbanjo, it does not say your license is revoked as of 4/13.

IT SAYS THEY WILL REVOKE IT ON 4/13.

There is a big difference.

[Ken_In_Colo]

Originally Posted by rhbanjo

NO!!!! the reason I put that in parentheses is because those are MY WORDS - the information from the Sheriff Dept is in Quotations!! The Sheriff would never admit this is a contract.
How the heck do these things get so twisted?...

I went back and reread your post. You sure had me convinced that they called it a contract.

[BonoVox]

Me too! LOL But like Punk reading is a second language for me!

[Spicy McHaggis]

I have no doubt she intends to do what it stated on the form.