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Old 04-16-2009, 10:12 AM
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It is now April 16th, three days after the April 13th revocation pledge in the letter that started this thread. For election purposes, it would be useful to know if any April 13th revocation was done but no letter (the 12050 subdivision (e) paragraph (3) part) was "immediately" sent.

"If the local licensing authority revokes the license, the Department of Justice shall be notified of the revocation pursuant to Section 12053. The licensee shall also be immediately notified of the revocation in writing."

More importantly, absent the sending of extra info, it would be useful to know if Hutchens has failed to keep any such April 13th pledge to revoke a CCW license because such a failure would cast doubt on any other conditional future pledge of revocation from OCSD.
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Old 04-16-2009, 10:17 AM
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It is not legal advise. It is an opinion based on a simple reading of the facts.

Cute post Roman Dad.

P.S. Are you going to threaten swdr too? He seems to get it.

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Old 04-16-2009, 10:34 AM
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The quality of the contributing members, the accuracy of the information presented, and the "Zero Tolerance Policy" regarding illegality of any kind by CalCCW.com are among the primary reasons CalCCW.com is so well regarded.

gjj, the opinions you are expressing are just that, opinions. Every member of CalCCW.com is welcome to their opinions and encouraged to share them with the forum. Regardless of whether others agree with your opinions, you are still welcome to express them and they will be respected, so long as they do not advocate illegal activities or encourage others to engage in activities that may be harmful to themselves or the CCW community.

There are a large number of subject matter experts that are contributing members of this forum and many of them are lawyers. I am not one of these members, however, I can say with absolute certainty, that these people and the information they provide have been proven to be correct time and time again. Their credibility is well established and beyond reproach.

Your credibility, however, is questionable, to say the least.

Please do not challenge these credible people or the information they provide until you have been around and contributed long enough to establish the same level of credibility.
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Old 04-16-2009, 10:36 AM
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It is not legal advise. It is an opinion based on a simple reading of the facts.
The noun is advice, the verb is advise. And RD is correct. You are providing legal advice on this public forum, by advising people to take these actions. Unless you have the legal credentials to back it up, as RD does, I would highly recommend that you cease such activity.
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Old 04-16-2009, 10:49 AM
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I have not suggested ANYTHING illegal.

I have not suggested that anyone take ANY specific action.

I have discussed what my opinion of our rights are under the current law. You can DO with it what you want.
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Old 04-16-2009, 11:48 AM
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I have not suggested ANYTHING illegal.

I have not suggested that anyone take ANY specific action.

I have discussed what my opinion of our rights are under the current law. You can DO with it what you want.
Thanks for making it clear that it is your opinion that you have been expressing. Saying that explicitly is important. We always want to be clear about the difference between opinions and legal advice. While I took your comments to be opinion, not everyone may have seen them that way.
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"Gun control? It's the best thing you can do for crooks and gangsters. I want you to have nothing." Sammy "The Bull" Gravano
"A system of licensing and registration is the perfect device to deny gun ownership to the bourgeoisie." Lenin, Creator of the USSR
"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms." Hitler
"To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them." George Mason, Father of the Bill of Rights
"I would rather have India resort to arms in order to defend her honor than that she should in a cowardly manner become or remain a helpless witness to her own dishonor." Gandhi
The right of citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government." Hubert H Humphrey, VP
"Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life." John F Kennedy
"Ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the state." Heinrich Himmler, Head of Nazi SS
"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy." George Orwell
"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in their government." Jefferson
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Old 04-16-2009, 11:54 AM
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Thanks. Everything I said was my opinion and was not meant as legal advise or a suggestion to due something illegal.
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Old 04-16-2009, 11:57 AM
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Thanks. Everything I said was my opinion and was not meant as legal advise or a suggestion to due something illegal.
add that to your signature.
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Old 04-16-2009, 12:02 PM
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add that to your signature.
But spell advi"C"e correctly. LOL
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Old 04-16-2009, 12:06 PM
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But spell advi"C"e correctly. LOL
YES! i believe you posted that here....


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The noun is advice, the verb is advise. And RD is correct. You are providing legal advice on this public forum, by advising people to take these actions. Unless you have the legal credentials to back it up, as RD does, I would highly recommend that you cease such activity.
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Old 04-16-2009, 01:04 PM
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Who said anything about illegal carry?

They have to follow a very specific procedure to revoke a license. So far, they have not done this. Therefore, no license with their INTENDED revoke data has actually been revoked.

You are still good to carry.

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Your CCW is not revoked until they revoke it and notify you in writing.
The above certainly looks like legal analysis and advice.
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Old 04-16-2009, 01:21 PM
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You are confused. It is just a personal opinion. It does not suggest any action on your part. Do not take any action based on my analysis of the facts of this situation.

I don't want my personal opinion that the Sheriff must notify you pursuant to Section 12053 after your license is revoked to benefit you in any way. I also hope, but do not suggest, you and Punk (I wonder how he got that name) and some of the other Stockholm Syndrome victims on this board immediately stop carrying your weapons. That is just my hope. Not a suggestion of action in any way.
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Old 04-16-2009, 01:25 PM
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Old 04-16-2009, 01:36 PM
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This is getting close to off topic, aside from the other issues. Locked.
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