Sheriff revokes gun permit for GOP heavyhitter

[Gladiator]

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Friday, March 20, 2009

Sheriff revokes gun permit for GOP heavyhitter

Mike Schroeder, also a Carona adviser, said he will fight revocation.

BY NORBERTO SANTANA JR.
The Orange County Register

Sheriff Sandra Hutchens is taking aim at the most politically charged gun permit in Orange County.

Hutchens this week notified attorney Mike Schroeder, the main adviser and closest ally to former Sheriff Mike Carona, that she is terminating his permit to carry a concealed weapon.

Schroeder, the former chairman of the state Republican Party, said he's not happy and plans to fight back.

"I believe that the action they are taking violates the law. And I'm reviewing what my legal options are at this point," Schroeder said. "I do believe that the sheriff has very broad discretion as to whether or not to issue a CCW, yet her claims that the law requires her to refuse to issue CCWS in most circumstances is simply false."
(He had lunch with the Founder of OCCCWS today)

Schroeder added, "She should own the fact that she comes from a Los Angeles law enforcement perspective that is anti-gun and simply doesn't want most people to be able to receive a (permit)."

Hutchens, a former administrator with the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department, was out of town Friday and could not be reached for comment.

She has repeatedly argued that Carona granted permits to individuals who did not show good cause under state law.

Schroeder, a key Republican fundraiser, was a central figure in the Carona administration until an October 2007 federal indictment forced the sheriff to resign.

Carona was acquitted of most charges but is awaiting sentencing on one count of witness tampering. He favored handing out concealed gun permits, seeing it as a first amendment issue. Under his tenure, Orange County's permits soared.

Yet federal prosecutors questioned in their indictment whether Carona used the permits to reward campaign donors. Indeed, a Register analysis of gun permits found that at least 95 permits were from campaign supporters who generated more than $68,000 in donations.

Shortly after her appointment on a 3-2 vote by county supervisors last summer, Hutchens announced that she would tighten the rules for getting concealed weapons permits.

County supervisors have held three separate hearings on her gun permit plans since last fall, while the issue has triggered a political firestorm for Hutchens. Supervisors at one point adopted a resolution calling on her to revise her stance.

California allows sheriffs across the state broad discretion on how they distribute concealed gun permits. Yet Hutchens points to a 1977 Attorney General opinion that she said limits her discretion.

At the urging of county supervisors, Hutchens froze revocations temporarily and has spent the last few months working with the California Department of Justice to develop a way that would allow her to take back the permits without harming the person's record.

Before negotiations began with the California DOJ, Hutchens said her department had sent out 423 revocation letters out of more than 1100 current permits.

At a supervisors meeting last month, Hutchens said her negotiations were almost over and the revocations would begin again.

Schroeder, echoing the sentiments of gun advocates, said Hutchens is making a big mistake challenging gun ownership in Orange County.

"There's a reason why all five supervisors are distancing themselves from her, acting as if they couldn't pick her out of a line up," he said. "It's because the second amendment right to keep and bear arms is still a deeply held belief in Orange County and it's an emotional issue."

Others, such as the Orange County Grand Jury, disagree.

Last month, the panel examined the gun permit issue and came down solidly behind Hutchens, arguing that her revisions were reasonable. They also advised county supervisors to "let the sheriff do her job."

"An orderly society is the goal," concluded their report. "Public safety is the paramount consideration. The fact that public clamor has reached the ears of politicians is irrelevant. The immediate revocation will get the issue back to square one. At that time, deserving individuals will qualify and others will be denied."

[OCRancher]

""I believe that the action they are taking violates the law. And I'm reviewing what my legal options are at this point," Schroeder said. "I do believe that the sheriff has very broad discretion as to whether or not to issue a CCW, yet her claims that the law requires her to refuse to issue CCWS in most circumstances is simply false."
(He had lunch with the Founder of OCCCWS today)

[OCRancher]

Cox.net news reporting more today.

Cox.net for Orange County: Local

OC Weapons Permits
03-23-2009 5:01 AM

(Santa Ana, CA) -- Orange County's new sheriff is canceling the concealed weapons permit held by a former chairman of the California Republican Party. The "Orange County Register" reports Sheriff Sandra Hutchens notified lawyer Mike Schroeder this past week. Schroeder was a top advisor to disgraced former Orange County Sheriff Mike Carona. Schroeder says he's not happy and he will fight to keep his permit. Carona handed out hundreds of permits-to-carry during his tenure, many to political supporters. Hutchens has been trying to cut back the number of weapons permits to pre-Carona levels and says many current permit holders haven't shown they really need the protection.

[coq]

Seems like a stupid move on her part...like going out on the playground and punching the big kid.

[NSP]

Originally Posted by OCRancher

Hutchens has been trying to cut back the number of weapons permits to pre-Carona levels and says many current permit holders haven't shown they really need the protection.

While at the same time providing ZERO proof that there is a problem with the permit holders.

[Rattlesnake 6]

One of my good friends just had his CCW revoked for no reason other than Sheriff Hutchens could do it. So what do we do? Do we just stand by, shrug our shoulders, and remain a nation of cowards? Day after day, our governing authorities and elected officials say, "No, no, no, to us" and we do nothing. The War for Independence was fought over substantially less than this!
Rattlesnake 6

[Rattlesnake 6]

Did you notice how quickly the story about the pastor murdered in his pulpit disappeared? Who would think that you'd get murdered in church? Our elected officials are out of touch and have no clue how criminals think. Did anyone ask how the nut case in Oakland had an AK-47? There is something to the adage: When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.
Rs6

[CCW Biker]

Originally Posted by coq

Seems like a stupid move on her part...like going out on the playground and punching the big kid.

A few questions and answers.
First the questions:
Who do you go out to dinner with?
Who do you take advice from?
How do you get elected and stay in office in LA?

Answers:
You go out to dinner with your friends. Your friends are people you like, get along with and share common values with.

You take advice from people you have known for a long time and trust. How do you come to trust people? You have known them for a long time.

You get elected in LA by being liberal at heart and in private, no matter what you portray in public. If you are elected and want to stay elected in LA you are tough on CRIME! Guns and Ammo = CRIME in most Sheeples minds.

The Appointed Sheriff has worked, palled around with, made friends with, taken advice from, and observed Politcians, that are residents of LA. She can't believe that OC is any different.
She is not comfortable around any other "types" of people. She is going through the stages of denial. First bewilderment. Then comes irratation. Followed by trying to change the local environment instead of living as a member of her new culture. Sometimes this manifests into living in small sub cultural enclaves sorrounded by like minded people and trying to ignore the natives. Then comes Anger at the inability to effect change. Lastly comes delusional self destructive behavior, Followed by the total melt down. At this last point if you have anything left, acceptance sets in. If you have lost everything, denial again becomes your friend or you seek professional help before the cycle begins to repeat in ever quicking motion.

This lack of cultural acceptance is very common in rural areas and countries that become new retirement havens. The retirees move to an area and try to remake their new home into a smaller version of their old home town. It drives the natives crazy. It how the term "Ugly American" got it's origin in foreign countries. It is also the sign of an inflexible, egotistical, and self centered person.

[coq]

Originally Posted by CCW Biker

Lastly comes delusional self destructive behavior, Followed by the total melt down.

Well, at least that part should be fun to watch. Now that she's on to wakening sleeping giants in addition to her regular bullying activities, maybe such "bravery" will expedite her demise. Oh please, oh please...

[spc]

Originally Posted by CCW Biker

A few questions and answers.
First the questions:
Who do you go out to dinner with?
Who do you take advice from?
How do you get elected and stay in office in LA?

Answers:
You go out to dinner with your friends. Your friends are people you like, get along with and share common values with.

You take advice from people you have known for a long time and trust. How do you come to trust people? You have known them for a long time.

You get elected in LA by being liberal at heart and in private, no matter what you portray in public. If you are elected and want to stay elected in LA you are tough on CRIME! Guns and Ammo = CRIME in most Sheeples minds.

The Appointed Sheriff has worked, palled around with, made friends with, taken advice from, and observed Politcians, that are residents of LA. She can't believe that OC is any different.
She is not comfortable around any other "types" of people. She is going through the stages of denial. First bewilderment. Then comes irratation. Followed by trying to change the local environment instead of living as a member of her new culture. Sometimes this manifests into living in small sub cultural enclaves sorrounded by like minded people and trying to ignore the natives. Then comes Anger at the inability to effect change. Lastly comes delusional self destructive behavior, Followed by the total melt down. At this last point if you have anything left, acceptance sets in. If you have lost everything, denial again becomes your friend or you seek professional help before the cycle begins to repeat in ever quicking motion.

This lack of cultural acceptance is very common in rural areas and countries that become new retirement havens. The retirees move to an area and try to remake their new home into a smaller version of their old home town. It drives the natives crazy. It how the term "Ugly American" got it's origin in foreign countries. It is also the sign of an inflexible, egotistical, and self centered person.

Just as I was formulating a reply to your post about 2nd home owners moving to the mountains to 'get away' from the city and bringing their comforts (sod, for a yard full of grass, etc) you used your retiree parable.

They do not understand they are bring with them the same things they are trying to escape from and at the same time destroying what they came to enjoy.

Your statement carries much truth.

spc

[newshooterinca]

Originally Posted by CCW Biker

This lack of cultural acceptance is very common in rural areas and countries that become new retirement havens. The retirees move to an area and try to remake their new home into a smaller version of their old home town. It drives the natives crazy.

In other words, the way residents of Nevada and Arizona view Californians!

[EM2]

Originally Posted by spc

They do not understand they are bring with them the same things they are trying to escape from and at the same time destroying what they came to enjoy.
spc

Originally Posted by newshooterinca

In other words, the way residents of Nevada and Arizona view Californians!

And in some ways the way Americans see illegal immigration.

[Glock32]

Originally Posted by newshooterinca

In other words, the way residents of Nevada and Arizona view Californians!

Yup. CF'ers.

[IAmASensFan]

Originally Posted by CCW Biker

It how the term "Ugly American" got it's origin in foreign countries. It is also the sign of an inflexible, egotistical, and self centered person.

Having lived in Belgium during the early 80's (SHAPE HQ), I can attest that this kind of attitude existed, and find it very interesting and poigniant that you would make the correlation here. I never thought about it in this capacity before, but it is relative.

It also may attest to why other states have a "we hope California falls into the ocean" attitude.

On another forum, I frequently state that with California being 1/10th the population of the entire US, and the largest Economy (not sure anymore) of all states, what happens here DOES affect other states. This is evident by the types of California Laws that some places are trying to implement (or california politicians are trying to force upon the feds).

I use this to illustrate that the rest of the country should be helping us in our fight instead of giving us a big FU.

Maybe I need to use more humility in my asking for their help.

[PirateQueen]

Originally Posted by coq

Seems like a stupid move on her part...like going out on the playground and punching the big kid.

But then again nobody claimed she was the sharpest tool in the shed.