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02-23-2009, 09:29 PM
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Grand jury backs sheriff on concealed weapons policy
Grand jury backs sheriff on concealed weapons policy | permits, gun, policy, hutchens, grand - News - OCRegister.com
Monday, February 23, 2009 Grand jury backs sheriff on concealed weapons policy Report tells county supervisors and activists to back off BY NORBERTO SANTANA JR. The Orange County Register Comments 22 | Recommend 0 The Orange County grand jury has a message for county supervisors, gun rights advocates and everyone else who disagrees with Sheriff Sandra Hutchens' plan to reduce concealed weapons permits: "Let the sheriff do her job." That's the title of the grand jury report to be released today ., according to a confidential copy obtained by The Orange County Register. Hutchens has spent months arguing with local lawmakers and gun advocates over her plan to make it tougher to get gun permits. Critics have said that Hutchens, a former Los Angeles Police Department administrator, is mistakenly bringing an LA-standard to a staunchly Republican county. Hutchens argues she is just enforcing state law and refuses to use the permit issue to advance policy beliefs on gun rights. "An orderly society is the goal. Public safety is the paramount consideration," concludes the grand jury report. "The fact that public clamor has reached the ears of politicians is irrelevant." Hutchens was muted in her reaction to the report, thanking the grand jury through a spokesman for, "looking at this issue from a factual and dispassionate basis." Under California law, sheriffs and police chiefs have wide discretion in deciding what residents have a "good cause" that would enable them to carry a concealed gun in public. Former Sheriff Mike Carona established a policy that greatly expanded the number of permits during his tenure. But there were also questions whether political supporters were being handed the gun permits in exchange for contributions. Indeed, a Register investigation into the permits found 95 instances where contributors were granted one. And federal prosecutors mentioned Carona's generosity with permits in their indictment against him. Carona was later found guilty of a single charge of witness tampering. Hutchens – who was appointed to finish out Carona's term this summer – almost immediately announced the gun permit revision. Since she announced it in August, she has endured three controversial public hearings explaining the policy. Meanwhile, supervisors have adopted resolutions suggesting she be more gun-friendly, with Supervisor Chris Norby even terming her revisions as a "jihad." Yet the grand jury also concluded that Hutchens is on the right track in developing a written policy regarding the granting of concealed weapons permits, alleging that a written policy didn't exist under Carona. Hutchens utilized the services of an Aliso Viejo think tank called Lexipol to develop the department's new CCW policy. That company has worked with 400 public safety departments throughout the state on CCW issues. Supervisors were surprised by the grand jury's conclusions. "My Board colleagues and I have never questioned the authority of the sheriff to establish a CCW policy and carry it out as she sees fit," said Board Chairwoman Pat Bates. "I have, however, expressed my disagreement with the sheriff's policy, in particular the revocation of existing permits and the mischaracterization that most of those permits were given as 'political favors' by the previous sheriff." Norby questioned the effectiveness of the grand jury analysis noting, "the 'us versus them' attitude has come from the department, not from the board."
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02-23-2009, 09:30 PM
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The Sergeant at Arms and Doorkeeper, elected by the founding members, serves as the protocol and chief law enforcement officer and is the principal administrative manager for most support services of CALCCW.com. As chief law enforcement officer of the this forum, the Sergeant at Arms is charged with maintaining security and protection of the members themselves. The Sergeant at Arms serves as the executive officer of this forum for enforcement of all rules of the Committee on Rules and Administration regulating this forum and has responsibility for and immediate supervision of the forum floor, chamber and galleries. The Sergeant at Arms is authorized to arrest and detain any person violating forum rules.
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02-23-2009, 11:01 PM
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Who was the (famous?) DA who said something to the effect of:
"I could get a Grand Jury to bring in an indictment on a ham sandwich." If the GJ is investigating anything about the OCSD, it should be Cameragate.
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02-23-2009, 11:05 PM
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So did Rackauckas bring this to the GJ as a favor to the Sheriff to ensure he got his CCW?
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02-23-2009, 11:06 PM
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I wonder if the heads of Lexipol have permits. Two are ex cops. The nature of the business is "risk management". For who, I ask.
Lexipol - Who We Are
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02-23-2009, 11:36 PM
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02-24-2009, 07:17 AM
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Since when is any jury filled with geneses? There are politics involved here. Someone on that grand jury might be wanting something from Hutchens.
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02-24-2009, 08:46 AM
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"An orderly society is the goal. Public safety is the paramount consideration," concludes the grand jury report. "The fact that public clamor has reached the ears of politicians is irrelevant."
All I got to say is F&%$ YOU! How and why are these people relevant? I'm normally not this disrespectful, but they just said that the voice of the public to their politicians are irrelevant. Public officials just said that the public is irrelevant. Tar and feather them!
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02-24-2009, 11:40 AM
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You know, I think it's pretty sad how your sheriff will not let citizens exercise their right to self defense, especially now that the jails are letting thousands of criminals out on the street to commit more crimes. And what makes it amusing to me is that it's the LA SHERIFF who is doing this. Budget problems? WTF?
 Sounds like they need an public audit of their spending or something.I just saw this in today's news: LA sheriff could free 4,000 inmates due to budget Reading this makes me very glad we have a decent sheriff up here in Humboldt County.
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02-24-2009, 11:41 AM
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02-24-2009, 12:11 PM
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Right now in our history, government, media corruption and dishonesty are equal to any third world country.
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02-24-2009, 01:06 PM
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Flawed methodology
[quote]Method of Investigation
The Grand Jury has interviewed County Supervisors and members of the Sheriff’s Department. Newspaper editorials and articles have been read as well as the CCW application form. The Penal Code has been researched along with case law and the opinion letter of the Attorney General issued in 1977. The CCW policies of San Diego, Los Angeles, and Riverside Counties have been reviewed and considered. The most recent Federal District Court decision dealing with the Second Amendment and the license issue has been analyzed and considered.[/QUOTE Please note that the methodology of this study is flawed as it indicates that no pro-ccw witnesses were called. One-sided BS YD
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