Armed and courteous foes of fewer gun permits

[Scout]

Originally Posted by IAmASensFan

I could care less, frankly. Hutches WAS their choice, they screwed up, and WE have to live with it. The BOS, Hutchens...they are all politicians. The BOS #1 concern right now is saving their political hides...if that means working with us, fine, thank you, but their allegiances are not to us. Don't kid yourself thinking that they really care.

+1,000,000

[Scout]

Originally Posted by SierraNevadaCCW

For some reason, this reporter thinks his "comfort level" has some relevance to the issue. He wouldn't feel safer or comfortable. Well, I don't care and I don't think the criminals out there feel very comfortable or safe with me armed in society either. The sheep who fear the sheepdog...

Come on SierraNevadaCCW.....quit holding back !!!!!!

Say what you really feel......

[swdr]

Originally Posted by SierraNevadaCCW

For some reason, this reporter thinks his "comfort level" has some relevance to the issue. He wouldn't feel safer or comfortable. Well, I don't care and I don't think the criminals out there feel very comfortable or safe with me armed in society either. The sheep who fear the sheepdog...

Send him email; warn him to stay away from Vermont -- they can carry concealed without training or even a permit out there. It's too scary for him, their lower crime rate be damned. Heh.

[akulahawk]

Originally Posted by swdr

Send him email; warn him to stay away from Vermont -- they can carry concealed without training or even a permit out there. It's too scary for him, their lower crime rate be damned. Heh.

Don't forget Alaska either... Although they DO issue CCW permits... it's mostly for reciprocity reasons. From what I understand.

[NikNak]

Originally Posted by Dan M.

You should. So should NikNak.

Sent ....

[IAmASensFan]

Originally Posted by sealbeach

You should! IIRC, you even invoked the Code of Hammurabi! Strong medicine there!

My google fu provided some good juju that day.

[IAmASensFan]

Originally Posted by Nightingale

The only way to counter fear is with education. We need to invite him to the range.

I agree 100 percent.

[NSP]

The only knee jerk I had from this last piece of tripe was the writer's standpoint that we are out there to thwart crime. I really hate that misconception. If any of us here told our issuing agency that or had it in our good cause we would have been denied. We know when to be a wittness and when to protect ourselves or others. I'm not going to draw and blow the kneecaps off a guy bolting out of the gas station with a case of beer.

We really are a selfish lot. We are in it for ourselves. We protect the self first.

[THE Gimper]

Originally Posted by NSP

the writer's standpoint that we are out there to thwart crime. I really hate that misconception. If any of us here told our issuing agency that or had it in our good cause we would have been denied. We know when to be a wittness and when to protect ourselves or others. I'm not going to draw and blow the kneecaps off a guy bolting out of the gas station with a case of beer.

And you should let him know that.

[The Professor]

Hello, first post here, but I will get to the point.

I am glad the Dana Parsons sees us differently, but the most disturbing point he makes is this, "I wouldn't feel safer...." This issue is not about his or anyone else's feelings. That is what is wrong with the Liberal argument to begin with. Facts can be verified and disputed, studied and evaluated. Feelings are opinions and have no place in the world of argument.

[SierraNevadaCCW]

Originally Posted by The Professor

Hello, first post here, but I will get to the point.

I am glad the Dana Parsons sees us differently, but the most disturbing point he makes is this, "I wouldn't feel safer...." This issue is not about his or anyone else's feelings. That is what is wrong with the Liberal argument to begin with. Facts can be verified and disputed, studied and evaluated. Feelings are opinions and have no place in the world of argument.

That's the point I made earlier. It's not our job to make him feel safe, comfortable or anything else. He's missing the point of why we want to carry a gun - for SELF defense or defense of OUR families. This self serving, self-focused, moron's feelings have zip to do with the price of tea in China. We're not issued CCW's to make some skittish wimp, who's afraid of his own shadow, comfortable.

[S. Todd]

Feelings are important. They just can't be more important than facts. I don't know about you, but I carry out of fear (a feeling) and because carrying makes me feel more comfortable. It’s a minor fear and I take a minor action to mitigate it. The difference between Dana and I is that my fear is rational, based on the admittedly small probability I will need to defend my life. Violent crime is not the boogie man, it really does exist. Rational fear leads us to take rational steps to feel comfortable. I wear a seat belt, I have life insurance, I don't drink and drive. All these actions are driven by some small fear. The actions are a minor inconvenience, but the avoided consequences are potentially catastrophic.

Dana's fear is not rational because the things he is afraid of never actually happen. Irrational fear leads us to act irrationally. Irrational fears are called phobias. They cause us to act in ways that cause major inconvenience in our lives, but the consequences of ignoring phobias are negligible. This is where Dana is stuck. His phobia leads him to act irrationally, to advocate for fewer armed citizens and even fewer armed police (he actually implied cops with guns make him nervous). The eventual result of his actions is more crime and more innocents killed, possibly including Dana himself. His phobia is causing him to act against his own best interest.

The goal is to somehow get him to act based on a rational fear (self defense) and not an irrational fear (of ‘gun nuts’). Getting mugged might help, but while we are waiting for that to happen we could ask Dana to spend some time in the County jail interviewing violent criminals, and have him decide if he is more afraid of them than he is of us.

It IS our job to help him feel safe with our excersise of our rights. It's just as important to our freedom as serving in the military, fighting bad laws and supporting good elected officials. Suggesting he does not matter is the same as ignoring those pesky bombers at pearl harbor. He is not going to go away, and every unanswered liberal column is a blow to our freedom.

[IAmASensFan]

Originally Posted by SierraNevadaCCW

That's the point I made earlier. It's not our job to make him feel safe, comfortable or anything else. He's missing the point of why we want to carry a gun - for SELF defense or defense of OUR families. This self serving, self-focused, moron's feelings have zip to do with the price of tea in China. We're not issued CCW's to make some skittish wimp, who's afraid of his own shadow, comfortable.

This makes good sense.

[The Professor]

First, I never suggested that Dana Parsons does not matter as your post hints. Second, He mentioned his feeling in the context of making an argument within a debate. His feelings do not get points in a debate. When adults are rationally discussing controversial issues, they must stick to facts. Once they slip into presenting their feelings as evidence, they have become like the school-yard kids who run out of support and resort to, "My dad can beat up your dad." So, to be clear, I am not dismissing Parson's feelings, I am saying they must not be used as evidence.

[S. Todd]

I agree that Dana is 'cheating' by citing his feeling, but this is not a formal debate and there are no rules. I'm with you, but several million other readers won't make the dinstinction and will buy Dana's spin. Declaring Dana a cheater and stomping off in a huff does not help secure our rights. We can't wait for the other side to be 'fair'. We have to refute error and misinformation and outright lies whenever we can. We have to win converts, especially in the media. If we withdraw, we lose. If we are not engaged, we lose. This is why CA is the laughingstock of the gun community, because we stood by and let our lying, cheating, ignorant foes take away our rights. More of the same on our part will get us more of the same on theirs. Yea, it sucks, but other scorned, bullied and ridiculed minority groups stood up and won their rights. We can do the same. But we have to be willing (figuratively, at least) to be attacked by dogs, be thrown out of restaurants, carry signs on college campuses, march in the streets and go to jail. If we are not willing to expend the effort to secure our rights, the Danas win (poor debating protocols notwithstanding).