Pat Bates - Notes

[Gladiator]

Board of Supervisors Meeting Security

Over the past week, much attention has focused on the security measures taken by Sheriff’s Department deputies at the January 13, 2008 Board of Supervisors meeting.

It came to light that security surveillance cameras, used in the Board room during last Tuesday’s meeting, were found to have filmed confidential images of hand-written notes of two of my Board colleagues. While it is possible that filming may have been accidental, it was inappropriate nonetheless.

While I generally believe security at Board meetings is adequate, recent occurrences make it necessary to review some of our procedures. As Chair, I will be working with the CEO, County Counsel, and the Sheriff's Department to examine our current security policies and request recommendations for improvements. Additionally, I will be asking the newly created Office of Independent Review to participate in the investigation of the surveillance camera incident and report its findings back to the Board.

It is imperative that our Board meetings are kept safe for the public, county staff and elected officials to gather and conduct business. That safety, however, must be provided for in a manner that protects individuals, their privacy and their right to exercise free speech. As your Supervisor, I believe it is my highest obligation to ensure our county government is open, transparent, and accountable and our security procedures must reflect that value.

[OCRancher]

BS! Political double talk. I don't find her sincere, and she certainly does not write her memo with any strong showing of support. It has more of a CYA sound for her and the sheriff than anything else. JMHO.

[Barky]

Sometimes, saying nothing is more powerful than this.

[RomanDad]

Originally Posted by Gladiator

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While I generally believe security at Board meetings is adequate, recent occurrences make it necessary to review some of our procedures. .

What incidents would those be?

[OCRancher]

Originally Posted by RomanDad

What incidents would those be?

She must be scared of my good looks.

Really, though, what occurrences, please?

[EM2]

Originally Posted by RomanDad

What incidents would those be?

Perhaps dissenting opinions?

[Superchief]

Where's the outrage?

[Harry Carry]

I would cut her some slack at this point. We're in a new phase here, with recent developments, and even the Supervisors are a bit blown away by what has transpired, and is continuing to transpire. Yes, even weirder stuff is going on behind the scenes.

[glbtrottr]

I'm Sorry, Harry, but I am blown away by your post.

"....Crush your enemy totally...."

"For it must be noted that men must either be caressed or annihilated; they will revenge themselves for small injuries, but cannot do so for great ones; the injury therefore that we do to the man must be such that we do not need to fear his vengeance"...(Niccolo Machiavelli).

The fact of the matter is that this lady has taken it upon herself to thrust her political views and fears into action by completely changing policy in what historically has been (quoting her “We live in a safe community in Orange County" . She is single handedly changing the manner in which a citizen lives here. I moved here specifically because it was a CCW friendly county, paying hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxes for the right to live here. To me she is an enemy of freedoms rather than a protector of the citizens and upholder of the law.

The CCW issue for this woman is not in my opinion something that can be finessed or that she can have her mind changed about; I am convinced that she harbors her CCW hostility as a career long fear and adult-long passions. No amount of pacifying the Supervisors should be trusted by this woman who has already demonstrated a willingness to lie as when she denied knowledge of the LAPD policy.

Consider the Jildardo Plasencia case, the gentleman she shot and killed after he pointed an unloaded gun at her from a distance. The Jury awarded back then $1.4M in damages to the family for police misconduct, regardless of a "justified shooting". The gun the man had was not loaded (I guess this explains her continued anxiety and panic towards the "Open Carry" crowd - it reminds her of her lame shoot). She stated the "jury didn't connect with me" - much like the voters of Orange County and the Board of Supervisors are not connecting with her.

If allowed to remain in office, she will find additional ways in which to reduce liberties and freedoms, spy and harrass the citizenry under the auspices of "national security" as her deputies have already done to the Supervisors,, or some other similar intent.

I can't think of a single reason why we should not continue to voice our opinions, organize, focus on her misdeeds, rally others, and encourage her resignation. Unless she publicly announces a shall-issue policy for the County, to me it seems like I'm just another in the vast majority of voters and people that she "doesn't connect with." Anything she says is akin to putting lipstick on a pig. Her policies are simply not visibly changing.

What a difference a few months make. Consider her statement:

"I’ve been having a lot of people tell me: ‘You need a driver. You need a driver.’ I don’t need a driver. There’s no threat against me, (cont'd)...This is a really fiscally conservative county. I don’t think it looks right for me to do that. People are surprised when I show up places by myself, but they’ll get used to it". And now, she shows up and leaved the Board of Supervisor's chambers with over 20 officers.

Fire Hutchens Asap. Out before she finds a similarly minded cronie to leave behind.

Or share with me over PM in confidence why we should "cut her a break"

[Harry Carry]

One thing to remember--Sheriff Hutchens can't be fired. She can be recalled (expensive) or removed for criminal conduct. That's it.

As I said, a lot of things are happening right now out of the public eye that are beyond belief.

And I hope you understood that I was suggesting cutting Supervisor Bates some slack, not the Sheriff.

Originally Posted by glbtrottr

I'm Sorry, Harry, but I am blown away by your post.

"....Crush your enemy totally...."

"For it must be noted that men must either be caressed or annihilated; they will revenge themselves for small injuries, but cannot do so for great ones; the injury therefore that we do to the man must be such that we do not need to fear his vengeance"...(Niccolo Machiavelli).

The fact of the matter is that this lady has taken it upon herself to thrust her political views and fears into action by completely changing policy in what historically has been (quoting her “We live in a safe community in Orange County" . She is single handedly changing the manner in which a citizen lives here. I moved here specifically because it was a CCW friendly county, paying hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxes for the right to live here. To me she is an enemy of freedoms rather than a protector of the citizens and upholder of the law.

The CCW issue for this woman is not in my opinion something that can be finessed or that she can have her mind changed about; I am convinced that she harbors her CCW hostility as a career long fear and adult-long passions. No amount of pacifying the Supervisors should be trusted by this woman who has already demonstrated a willingness to lie as when she denied knowledge of the LAPD policy.

Consider the Jildardo Plasencia case, the gentleman she shot and killed after he pointed an unloaded gun at her from a distance. The Jury awarded back then $1.4M in damages to the family for police misconduct, regardless of a "justified shooting". The gun the man had was not loaded (I guess this explains her continued anxiety and panic towards the "Open Carry" crowd - it reminds her of her lame shoot). She stated the "jury didn't connect with me" - much like the voters of Orange County and the Board of Supervisors are not connecting with her.

If allowed to remain in office, she will find additional ways in which to reduce liberties and freedoms, spy and harrass the citizenry under the auspices of "national security" as her deputies have already done to the Supervisors,, or some other similar intent.

I can't think of a single reason why we should not continue to voice our opinions, organize, focus on her misdeeds, rally others, and encourage her resignation. Unless she publicly announces a shall-issue policy for the County, to me it seems like I'm just another in the vast majority of voters and people that she "doesn't connect with." Anything she says is akin to putting lipstick on a pig. Her policies are simply not visibly changing.

What a difference a few months make. Consider her statement:

"I’ve been having a lot of people tell me: ‘You need a driver. You need a driver.’ I don’t need a driver. There’s no threat against me, (cont'd)...This is a really fiscally conservative county. I don’t think it looks right for me to do that. People are surprised when I show up places by myself, but they’ll get used to it". And now, she shows up and leaved the Board of Supervisor's chambers with over 20 officers.

Fire Hutchens Asap. Out before she finds a similarly minded cronie to leave behind.

Or share with me over PM in confidence why we should "cut her a break"

[X-ffdo]

I bet there must be a lot going on behind the knowledge of the average citizen.
In that vein it occurs to me that a person who conducts herself in the way she does, must have had a past conduct that must have left trails. I bet money on that, these kinds of personalities just can't steer away from those kinds of behavior. The thing is, someone has to locate the goods!!!

[sealbeach]

Originally Posted by X-ffdo

I bet there must be a lot going on behind the knowledge of the average citizen.
In that vein it occurs to me that a person who conducts herself in the way she does, must have had a past conduct that must have left trails. I bet money on that, these kinds of personalities just can't steer away from those kinds of behavior. The thing is, someone has to locate the goods!!!

You make a VERY good point...

"The leopard never changes it's spots" --meaning her true colors remain the same...her business practices and methodology have probably become ingrained over her whole career. Wish we had more access to the information we need.

[IAmASensFan]

Originally Posted by sealbeach

You make a VERY good point...

"The leopard never changes it's spots" --meaning her true colors remain the same...her business practices and methodology have probably become ingrained over her whole career. Wish we had more access to the information we need.

Much like the idea that one guy was trying to convey that she is a product of her environment (LASO), and she REALLY got testy over that.

[glbtrottr]

Originally Posted by Harry Carry

As I said, a lot of things are happening right now out of the public eye that are beyond belief.

Wouldn't I like to know. Will you be at the Show today?

Originally Posted by Harry Carry

And I hope you understood that I was suggesting cutting Supervisor Bates some slack, not the Sheriff.

Yeahno. I thought you were talking about our least favorite topic, Sheriff Hutchens / Anderson / Mitchell who killed Jildardo Placencia. I'm still trying to figure out how her training officer / boyfriend /eventually husband managed to strike 2 children, a 3 year old and a 15 year old, while the Sheriff struck the guy with the unloaded gun. I wonder how many times each officer had to fire their service pistol to kill a non-firing man and managing to strike 2 children in the process. Seriously. I wonder if their qualifications at the range were equally as unimpressive. How do these people get promoted?

To take a page off of Prohibition, something for the Supervisors to consider: If Carona handed out CCW's and badges for personal profit, the value of it rested on their restriction.

The Sheriff's office should simply screen for disqualifying criteria such as Criminal Behaviour / Convictions, and Mental Ineptitude, and simply allow a shall-carry policy to eliminate all politicking around the issue. This would show Orange County as a progressive geography, in contrast to the rest of the nation where freedoms we enjoy soon grow far more scarce.

To remind - it's easier to get a CCW in Massachusetts, highly touted as one of the most restrictive states when it comes to Gun Laws in the country, than in Orange County now. Ask me how I know.

[THE Gimper]

Originally Posted by glbtrottr

To take a page off of Prohibition, something for the Supervisors to consider: If Carona handed out CCW's and badges for personal profit, the value of it rested on their restriction.

That is an excellent point. In fact, there are those who got them under Brad Gates, who resented the fact that they weren't special anymore. The justification that Sheriff Hutchens gave initially for taking these actions is hogwash. Her true reason, as she has finally stated recently, is that she believes Carona issued too many. It's ideological for her. She doesn't want citizens to be armed, because she doesn't trust us. Could that be a case of projection?