Revoked CCW and your CII number.

[libertarian]

Originally Posted by Ken_In_Colo

That's why I think she's gonna have a change of heart towards the people w/security clearances whom she's revoking/denying renewals.

If that's true, she'd have to have a change of heart on all of them, because anyone could potentially APPLY for a security clearance later and be denied one because of a revocation.

[Dan M.]

Originally Posted by libertarian

If that's true, she'd have to have a change of heart on all of them, because anyone could potentially APPLY for a security clearance later and be denied one because of a revocation.

My military/DOD clearances need updating periodically because of the military projects we do. Miramar, the Naval base in San Diego, and North Island nuclear carrier berth in San Diego, Camp Pendleton, the Barstow Marine Corp Logistics Base, Naval Air and Coast Guard stations up and down both coasts--all sorts of stuff. If my clearances aren't passed, I might be out of a job.

[Spicy McHaggis]

Originally Posted by Dan M.

My military/DOD clearances need updating periodically because of the military projects we do. Miramar, the Naval base in San Diego, and North Island nuclear carrier berth in San Diego, Camp Pendleton, the Barstow Marine Corp Logistics Base, Naval Air and Coast Guard stations up and down both coasts--all sorts of stuff. If my clearances aren't passed, I might be out of a job.

You wouldn't need to work again if that happened. Just think how much money you would get from Orange County after your lawsuit.

[Gr8OCGuy]

Just to add another point of view...for those of us licensed attorneys, who have an affirmative duty under the California Code of Professional Conduct to disclose any 'black mark' that might show up on a DOJ file. I think there is certainly an argument to be made, that we have to be pro-active and disclose any item that turns up resulting from an interim-revocation of a CCW. The interpretation by the BAR (without knowledge of what our current Sheriff is doing) would be that some 'irregularity' resulted in the loss... I would consider this immediate standing for a civil action and would seriously consider seeking an injunction against the Sheriff.

[maldos]

Originally Posted by Gr8OCGuy

Just to add another point of view...for those of us licensed attorneys, who have an affirmative duty under the California Code of Professional Conduct to disclose any 'black mark' that might show up on a DOJ file. I think there is certainly an argument to be made, that we have to be pro-active and disclose any item that turns up resulting from an interim-revocation of a CCW. The interpretation by the BAR (without knowledge of what our current Sheriff is doing) would be that some 'irregularity' resulted in the loss... I would consider this immediate standing for a civil action and would seriously consider seeking an injunction against the Sheriff.

Attorneys are not the only professions required to disclose such "black marks". Any professional group held by the California Code of Professional Conduct standards are also required to disclose the information.

[Gr8OCGuy]

I'm only familiar with the affirmative duty of attorneys... As you say, anyone who is required to 'clarify' the sheriff-induced issue, has standing to argue an action. I was only trying to raise the issue that there is an arguable duty to proactively disclose the situation, upon receipt of the intent to revoke letter (if you're not going to submit additional GC) from the OCSD. This is the point where I'd have to decide if I was going to pursue injunctive relief. Luckily, I'm not in that position at the moment...so I was only throwing it out there.

[OCCCW]

Originally Posted by Gladiator

The SHEriff stated on Tuesday that a revoke of your CCW stays on your CII (Criminal Identification and Information, issued by CA-DOJ) number for 90 days. She is as usual, incorrect.

I ran two ID's today that somebody (thanks! for all the names) said had revoked CCW's from 1999 and 2007. The revoked CCW's showed up for both. These two were revoked by OCSD.

I then ran two names for two other agencies that were both revoked in 1986. They both showed up too.

The SHEriff is checking with DOJ to determine the impact, if any, of a revocation based solely on lack of good cause. Bottom line, it will show up as a state license that has been revoked. And as I just have proven, it WILL follow you forever.

Anymore questions?

Has any of this been communicated to the BOS yet??? They were supposed to meet in a closed door session about the law suit threats, right?

[SmokinMr2]

Originally Posted by OCCCW

Has any of this been communicated to the BOS yet??? They were supposed to meet in a closed door session about the law suit threats, right?

Apparently it has been communicated.

http://www.calccw.com/Forums/announc...ys-agenda.html

[YankeeDog]

Has any of this been communicated to the BOS yet??? They were supposed to meet in a closed door session about the law suit threats, right

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I have said this several times. If you are cleared for a CCW and the licenser (Sheriff) changes the rules and in the process ruins your personal repuation, what is the logical response?????
YD

[CCWInstructor]

Originally Posted by SmokinMr2

Apparently it has been communicated.

http://www.calccw.com/Forums/announc...ys-agenda.html

The BOS will not understand, when a LEO see's revoke, HE/SHE BELIEVES REVOKED. You did something wrong.

[DVSmith]

Originally Posted by CCWInstructor

The BOS will not understand, when a LEO see's revoke, HE/SHE BELIEVES REVOKED. You did something wrong.

For all they know something REALLLY REALLY wrong. Like SO wrong that you might still be armed and unstable!!!

[AMS MIKE]

Originally Posted by DVSmith

For all they know something REALLLY REALLY wrong. Like SO wrong that you might still be armed and unstable!!!

and will certainly be treated differently!

and probably in the back of the squad car while you are interrigated.

[huna koa]

..in HER kitchen, and she...?

[Quietpi]

Re: CCW revocation affecting a security clearance, you can relax. Certainly a revocation such as this would get the issuing authority's attention, but it will not automatically lead to anything more than a question at the Subject Interview, and probably a record search at OCSD. Given that most investigators who do this sort of thing are pretty astute, there's a good chance that s/he will already have heard of the issue.

I speak with years - nay, decades - of experience in this area.

[OCCCW]

Originally Posted by Quietpi

Re: CCW revocation affecting a security clearance, you can relax. Certainly a revocation such as this would get the issuing authority's attention, but it will not automatically lead to anything more than a question at the Subject Interview, and probably a record search at OCSD. Given that most investigators who do this sort of thing are pretty astute, there's a good chance that s/he will already have heard of the issue.

I speak with years - nay, decades - of experience in this area.

I often need security clearance to gain access to sensitive manufacturing areas for defense projects, there are no interviews, nor is there a process to explain why I would have a black mark. Can you shed some light in that area?