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11-20-2008, 11:17 AM
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I have NO idea what your motivation was. I will admit that when I found out it was you heading up there I held my breath.
I was pleasantly surprised at the level of tact you exhibited for the MOST part. I would have dropped the threat line as well, but then you would have had to find another way to spotlight the fact she was carrying a firearm. I would never have delivered your speech, but that is a style difference. Over all well done, now let's move forward. Did you send thank you letters yet?
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11-20-2008, 12:15 PM
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Listen, I thought the fact that you drove up from SD to show personal support was awesome. I think your speech was great and I commend you for it.
It was just my opinion, that the "gun" part at the end could have been left out. Nothing more, nothing less. I think you said it to make an example of her. She gets to carry a gun, while at the same time, taking gun out of your hands essentially. And why should she worry? She's got a gun to protect herself, etc. I get it. When you made that comment and said you were from SD, I knew it was you immediately. I love yah man.  Let's all move on.
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11-20-2008, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Libertarian: I carry a gun because I can't conceal a cop. Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907. "In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag.... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language.... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people." Theodore Roosevelt 1907
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11-20-2008, 05:58 PM
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I enjoyed your speech, especially when you looked over to the sheriff. You made eye contact with her, and that was very powerful. I thought your gun comment was bold, but refreshing. I too like to make occasional comments that cause a rise in people.
Some forum members may not know that myself, Bono, Dan M and Elemental met you at the Costa Mesa gun show. CALCCW had a booth and you came over to talk to us. I remember you saying that meeting CALCCW members, and hearing of our cause, was the best part of the gun show. I have to say that meeting you was the most rewarding part of the gun show for me. You have been an active member of this forum; one who is very passionate about CCW’s and is willing to put his money and time where his mouth is. You took the day off work to drive from SD to OC and voice your opinion on behalf of the CCW cause and OC residents. You gave me a ride to my car, parked several blocks away, because it was late and I was concerned for my safety. I look forward to staffing the CALCCW booth at the gun show on November 29 and meeting the next Grave Digger.
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11-20-2008, 09:04 PM
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11-20-2008, 09:22 PM
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Frankly, I'm a bit surprised that it has escaped everyone. Maybe I should have been a bit more abrasive! I'm still waiting for someone to guess correctly. FiringLion came closest so far.
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11-20-2008, 10:15 PM
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You can share or not, Your choice.
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11-20-2008, 10:50 PM
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I liked 100% of your speech, no exceptions.
I thought "H" might have been a bit of a cowboy but from watching the video, I absolutely did not think he was going for a gun.
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11-20-2008, 10:53 PM
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11-20-2008, 11:42 PM
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I thought your point was that she can't relate to the point of view of an ordinary citizen who wants to have a CCW for self protection because she is free to carry a sidearm wherever she goes. Therefore, she is patently unable to relate to our desire to obtain a CCW - she doesn't need one to protect herself. She is hypocritical to presume that she can judge our need because she doesn't have the need, and she seems indifferent to other's perception of risk.
Perhaps I real too much into it. It may have been unwise, or too sharply delivered, but I liked to hear it said anyway...
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11-20-2008, 11:48 PM
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11-20-2008, 11:51 PM
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You know what, guys? Yesterday was a huge success, and that comment didn't hurt us. So it doesn't matter whether it was wise or unwise. I don't care.
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11-21-2008, 12:10 AM
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Both are good guesses but no, I had another goal in mind by passing her letter to the woman behind me. Hmmm ... perhaps I was too vague?
I choked up there though. I had two more points to make about the shootings and skipped over all of them. The first was that NONE of those 78 murdered people could have provided Sheriff Hutchens with her warped definition of "good cause" prior to the moment they were murdered in cold blood, and if even ONE of the victims in each of those multiple shootings had been armed, many lives would have been saved. I skipped right to "The woman in that church saved lives because she was armed." The second was that she should be ashamed of herself for sitting in a room and defining "good cause" academically like some tenured liberal college professor from Berkeley looking down her nose over her wire-rimmed oval glasses and decreeing that one must provide proof of a need based on a stalker or prior threats that were reported or whatever, while she KNOWS that victims die every day on less than five seconds notice with NO prior hint of trouble in their future. She is acting as if to the best of her knowledge there are no bad people out there RIGHT NOW, and she has turned a blind eye to the REAL threat that she doesn't have the guts to acknowledge; There are REAL killers walking the streets right now, and "good cause" already exists for every American citizen because neither the cops nor the citizens can predict when or where any citizen might encounter one or more of them. Hygyliac, good guess, but not correct. Sorry. I made my final comment for quite another reason. Last edited by gravedigger : 11-21-2008 at 12:14 AM.
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