County Board of Supervisors Meeting

[Tom98915]

Originally Posted by SierraNevadaCCW

Right. Lots of threatening inuendo, a smirk and the code name. I thought he was going to pull out his gun after the cell phone.

I thought the same thing too, seeing how serious he looked and sounded.

[THE Gimper]

Originally Posted by rhbanjo

I didn't like the not so veiled threats of lawsuits.

But that's a very important thing for them to consider. They brought it up when they talked about how greater CCW issuance might open the county up to lawsuits if someone misuses their firearm under the permit. They need to know (and the Sheriff needs to know also) that the actions the Sheriff is taking could also open them up to lawsuits (and even greater lawsuits). And if those lawsuits come, the Sheriff will have to go to them for money to fight them. When all else fails. Hit 'em in their pocketbook. If it's true that people vote their pocketbooks, it's no less true here in this instance.

[THE Gimper]

Originally Posted by SierraNevadaCCW

Don't get me wrong. I laughed when he said that to the sheriff. But it was kinda like an uncomfortable laugh. I understood the point and why, but I don't agree that particular comment should have been made, for image reasons and nothing else... It also gave Moorlock an opportunity to lecture the crowd on "not allowing it to become personal" (even though it IS personal to take someone's permit).
Everything else he said was great.

I don't disagree with you regarding that comment. My point was about the "everything else" so we are in agreement.

[BonoVox]

Originally Posted by rhbanjo
I didn't like the not so veiled threats of lawsuits.

Most people that sue you don't give you a chance to reconsider your position. If the other side is within the standards of civil law, they have nothing to worry about.

If someone tells me they are going to sue me and I am within the law, I will tell them to go fly a kite in a lightning storm. Enough said.

[Scout]

I agree with you SierraNevadaCCW,

I was wondering why the supervisor's kept bringing up the "and or" threat on your life clause.

If your life is threatened and the BG makes good on his/her threat, it's a little to late to apply.

It's like you have to be "sick" first, before going to the Dr.... "Good Cause".

When instead, you can get a preventative physical exam.... "Personal Protection".

[PirateQueen]

Originally Posted by THE Gimper

Funny you should mention that. When he pulled out his phone, for a moment I was afraid that he was going to pull out a gun.

I think it was planned to have that effect.

[THE Gimper]

Originally Posted by PirateQueen

I think it was planned to have that effect.

Probably so. But if so, I think that it was a bad idea.

[gravedigger]

Hahaha! I was a step ahead of him, and thought about doing that myself. Unfortunately, the camera was on HIM. I knew what he was doing, so I wasn't watching him. I was watching the Chairman. Gosh, to have an 8x10 glossy of that deer-in-the-headlights look he flashed just before the cell phone came out! It was priceless!

[THE Gimper]

Originally Posted by gravedigger

Hahaha! I was a step ahead of him, and thought about doing that myself. Unfortunately, the camera was on HIM. I knew what he was doing, so I wasn't watching him. I was watching the Chairman. Gosh, to have an 8x10 glossy of that deer-in-the-headlights look he flashed just before the cell phone came out! It was priceless!

Yes, but that right there is why it was such a bad idea. Anything, ANYTHING, that even momentarily reinforces the perception that we're gun nuts, loose cannons, can't be trusted, is bad for us. That is the perception the SHEriff has of us. We worked hard yesterday to demonstrate that we are anything but that. We are calm, reasonable, responsible, sensible, trustworthy.

[Poogsdad]

Originally Posted by THE Gimper

Yes, but that right there is why it was such a bad idea. Anything, ANYTHING, that even momentarily reinforces the perception that we're gun nuts, loose cannons, can't be trusted, is bad for us. That is the perception the SHEriff has of us. We worked hard yesterday to demonstrate that we are anything but that. We are calm, reasonable, responsible, sensible, trustworthy.

Though I was unable to be with you yesterday physically, I was with you in spirit.

Yesterday around 2:30 PM I took the liberty of posting a link to the video feed on the USCCA Forum and commented on how well you were all doing.

I also said this:

I believe we may be seeing some history in the making. I also believe that what happens in Orange County, CA today will have a positive ripple affect well outside the boundaries of Orange County, CA.

You all proved me right.

Those atributes THE Gimper mentioned above are among the most important reasons you were all so successful yesterday and will continue to be successful in the battles yet to come.

I know many of you have heard me say this many times before, "What happens in Orange County can and does have an impact outside of Orange County".

Thanks again for that you have done and continue to do.

I am proud to be associated with CalCCW.com.

[THE Gimper]

Originally Posted by Poogsdad

Though I was unable to be with you yesterday physically, I was with you in spirit.

Yesterday around 2:30 PM I took the liberty of posting a link to the video feed on the USCCA Forum and commented on how well you were all doing.

I also said this:

You all proved me right.

Those atributes THE Gimper mentioned above are among the most important reasons you were all so successful yesterday and will continue to be successful in the battles yet to come.

I know many of you have heard me say this many times before, "What happens in Orange County can and does have an impact outside of Orange County".

Thanks again for that you have done and continue to do.

I am proud to be associated with CalCCW.com.

Poogsdad,

Thank you for standing with us, and all you've done to help us in this. This is not just about Orange County. We're all in this together.

[IAmASensFan]

Originally Posted by THE Gimper

But that's a very important thing for them to consider. They brought it up when they talked about how greater CCW issuance might open the county up to lawsuits if someone misuses their firearm under the permit. They need to know (and the Sheriff needs to know also) that the actions the Sheriff is taking could also open them up to lawsuits (and even greater lawsuits). And if those lawsuits come, the Sheriff will have to go to them for money to fight them. When all else fails. Hit 'em in their pocketbook. If it's true that people vote their pocketbooks, it's no less true here in this instance.

I thought after the raced through 4 or 5 things and kept bringing up "hard times" and "lack of money" that the threats of Lawsuits were VERY important. That's what the NRA is good for. It may show her and the BOS that we can be much more pleasant to deal with.

[High Country]

H. Paul Payne is the NRA's employee and is assigned the responsibility of organizing and supervisiong the NRA's Member's Councils in California. With that being said, I don't think that he is "alway" the NRA's best representitive.

Supervisor' Nguyen's resolution, in its original draft was a mess and had a restrictive clause as the last paragraph that was more restrictive than the Sheriff's current policy. Ed Worley (California State NRA Laison and Chief Lobbiest, together with Chuch Michelle, NRA's Califorina Gun Right Lawyer) worked with Nguyen's staff to "correct" her resolution before final submision to the baord.

There was no way the Supervior's were going to accept Supervisor Norby's resolution because it called for continuance of the existion CCW's and the manditory reissue of them. It wasn't that the supervisors didn't agree with it, it was that they clearly understood that they couldn't compell the Sheriff to do with the resolution required.

They correctly chose a more co-operative tone and issued a resolution of giudeance, rather than insistance.