So How did it go at the meeting yesterday?

[IAmASensFan]

I'm perfectly fine with Guns Killing eachother...It's killing ME I have the problem with.

I think it was meant as a bit of a facitious funny...Or I hope it was, anyways.

[ProudAmerican]

Gentlemen,

I do appreciate your comments and opinions. We do currently have laws against carrying concealed weapons. The reason for my posts are to find out how to acquire my California CCW with your help. I already have my CCW in 15 states and I AM a responsible Citizen. Sherrif Hutchens obviously took all of the comments to heart. Now, what I meant by meet in the middle....

# 1 the Law will NOT change on carrying concealed weapons so we need to MEET SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE with Sherrif Hutchens to allow responsible citizens with good cause to have the ability to protect themselves and there families.
#2 We are NOT people who want to run around the streets and kill each other(well, at least most of us)
#3 for those of us who deserve them, CCW permits should be allowed, and encouraged.

I respect all of the comments since I have started this thread. and will read your recommended book x-ffdo.

Respectfully;

Proud American

[PUNK]

Originally Posted by IAmASensFan

I'm perfectly fine with Guns Killing eachother...It's killing ME I have the problem with.

I think it was meant as a bit of a facitious funny...Or I hope it was, anyways.

guns don't kill. people do.

[FiringLion]

Originally Posted by AMS MIKE

guns don't kill. people do.

Just checked the S & W Gun-Cam™ again:

Smith and Wesson Cam

still just sittin' there.

[THE Gimper]

Originally Posted by ProudAmerican

Gentlemen,

I do appreciate your comments and opinions. We do currently have laws against carrying concealed weapons. The reason for my posts are to find out how to acquire my California CCW with your help. I already have my CCW in 15 states and I AM a responsible Citizen. Sherrif Hutchens obviously took all of the comments to heart. Now, what I meant by meet in the middle....

# 1 the Law will NOT change on carrying concealed weapons so we need to MEET SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE with Sherrif Hutchens to allow responsible citizens with good cause to have the ability to protect themselves and there families.
#2 We are NOT people who want to run around the streets and kill each other(well, at least most of us)
#3 for those of us who deserve them, CCW permits should be allowed, and encouraged.

I respect all of the comments since I have started this thread. and will read your recommended book x-ffdo.

Respectfully;

Proud American

We're glad you're here, and I agree with your #2 and #3. Don't be so sure about #1. In the past 15 years, we've seen sweeping changes in concealed carry laws across the country. And once the Heller decision gets incorporated, the whole landscape will change. We are committed to bringing about change here in CA. It may take time, but we are not giving up.

And, we're not so sure the Sheriff has taken the comments to heart. Maybe so. Hopefully so. But we'll have to wait and see.

[Ken_In_Colo]

Originally Posted by ProudAmerican

Gentlemen,

I do appreciate your comments and opinions. We do currently have laws against carrying concealed weapons. The reason for my posts are to find out how to acquire my California CCW with your help. I already have my CCW in 15 states and I AM a responsible Citizen. Sherrif Hutchens obviously took all of the comments to heart. Now, what I meant by meet in the middle....

# 1 the Law will NOT change on carrying concealed weapon so we need to MEET SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE with Sherrif Hutchens to allow responsible citizens with good cause to have the ability to protect themselves and there families.
#2 We are NOT people who want to run around the streets and kill each other(well, at least most of us)
#3 for those of us who deserve them, CCW permits should be allowed, and encouraged.

I respect all of the comments since I have started this thread. and will read your recommended book x-ffdo.

Respectfully;

Proud American

Yes, California has laws which prohibit carrying a concealed weapons; so do all of the "shall issue" states. CCW Permits grant exceptions to those laws. Back in the day, Good Cause may have been what California needed but today, "Good Cause", in large metro counties is abused, not by the licensed CCW holders but by the Sheriffs themselves.

The 2nd guy to speak at the BOS meeting, (Mr. Michelle?) shredded the Sheriff's entire rational for these revocations

There can be no meeting in the middle on this. Meeting in the middle means CCWs w/restrictions. Meeting in the middle means giving up rights you once had. Meeting in the middle is like saying you can carry your gun but you can't have any bullets. Meeting in the middle is like [the Democrats] saying the Fannie Mae & Freddy Mac debacle's are both parties fault.

No! No meeting in the middle. Complete restoration to the way it was before she was appointed to the office.

[ProudAmerican]

Good point. I didn't know this information. I would like to become a member of the NRA. Do you have information on the NRA, and are there any other associations that you would recommend. Also, i am wondering if i should even bother trying for the CCW in Cali for now.. I have a good cause but not sure which route to take....thanks for the comments.

Respectfully'

Proud American

[OCRancher]

Originally Posted by Ken_In_Colo

Yes, California has laws which prohibit carrying a concealed weapons; so do all of the "shall issue" states. CCW Permits grant exceptions to those laws. Back in the day, Good Cause may have been what California needed but today, "Good Cause", in large metro counties is abused, not by the licensed CCW holders but by the Sheriffs themselves.

The 2nd guy to speak at the BOS meeting, (Mr. Michelle?) shredded the Sheriff's entire rational for these revocations

There can be no meeting in the middle on this. Meeting in the middle means CCWs w/restrictions. Meeting in the middle means giving up rights you once had. Meeting in the middle is like saying you can carry your gun but you can't have any bullets. Meeting in the middle is like [the Democrats] saying the Fannie Mae & Freddy Mac debacle's are both parties fault.

No! No meeting in the middle. Complete restoration to the way it was before she was appointed to the office.

Thanks for saying that!

[OCRancher]

Originally Posted by ProudAmerican

Good point. I didn't know this information. I would like to become a member of the NRA. Do you have information on the NRA, and are there any other associations that you would recommend. Also, i am wondering if i should even bother trying for the CCW in Cali for now.. I have a good cause but not sure which route to take....thanks for the comments.

Respectfully'

Proud American

You can join off of the NRA website or go to the Costa Mesa Gun Show next week and they should have their materials there. Or go to Albertsons and buy a gun mag like Guns and Ammo. You'll find lots of NRA membership info advertised in those mags.

[EM2]

Originally Posted by ProudAmerican

#3 for those of us who deserve them, CCW permits should be allowed, and encouraged.

I respect all of the comments since I have started this thread. and will read your recommended book x-ffdo.

Respectfully;

Proud American

Do I sense a little elitism?
Since when do people "deserve" to exercise a right. We have rights already and everyone deserves to exercise them.

Words and phrases such as 'deserve' and 'meet in the middle' do little to further our cause.

[ProudAmerican]

Duly Noted!!!

[IAmASensFan]

Originally Posted by AMS MIKE

guns don't kill. people do.

Sigh...I was making a facitious funny...guns don't go around killing eachother, so I am ok with that...

Nevermind.

[PUNK]

Originally Posted by IAmASensFan

Sigh...I was making a facitious funny...guns don't go around killing eachother, so I am ok with that...

Nevermind.

lol lol

[IAmASensFan]

Originally Posted by ProudAmerican

Gentlemen,

# 1 the Law will NOT change on carrying concealed weapons so we need to MEET SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE with Sherrif Hutchens to allow responsible citizens with good cause to have the ability to protect themselves and there families.

We cannot meet in the middle. If we allow the sheriff to revoke some CCW's, then those people are screwed when it comes to background investigations for security clearances, job applications...a whole litany of things, because a revocation will show on your record.

How would you like to find out you didn't get a job or a security clearance or a promotion because some unexplained firearms revocation shows up on your record and because of bias or ignorance, you are passed up because of it?

No Middle Ground. She must not revoke any CCW's, on that we have to be firm.

We can work with her on other stuff (my opinion, not that of the board), but it cannot be as strict as she wants it.

[Ken_In_Colo]

Originally Posted by IAmASensFan

We cannot meet in the middle. If we allow the sheriff to revoke some CCW's, then those people are screwed when it comes to background investigations for security clearances, job applications...a whole litany of things, because a revocation will show on your record.

How would you like to find out you didn't get a job or a security clearance or a promotion because some unexplained firearms revocation shows up on your record and because of bias or ignorance, you are passed up because of it?

No Middle Ground. She must not revoke any CCW's, on that we have to be firm.

We can work with her on other stuff (my opinion, not that of the board), but it cannot be as strict as she wants it.

Sens, I never even thought about that [the background/security check] part of it. For that reason alone she can't revoke/deny renewal. To do so would invite lawsuits from all of those people whose security clearances were compromised. The county's losses would be staggering. It would be almost libelous. Just imagine one of those security clearance types losing their 6 figure job over that.