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Old 11-04-2008, 05:25 PM
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Old 11-04-2008, 06:23 PM
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I've taken the day to make sure I can be there.
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Old 11-05-2008, 07:12 AM
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A tip from my dad, who's seen a lot of groups lobby the LA city council:

Don't all sit together. Spread out around the room. That way, we look like at least some of us came on our own, and if someone says "anyone here in support of concealed carry for everyone, please stand" it looks like the entire room stands up. It can make it look like there's even more of us than there are.
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Old 11-05-2008, 07:23 AM
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A tip from my dad, who's seen a lot of groups lobby the LA city council:

Don't all sit together. Spread out around the room. That way, we look like at least some of us came on our own, and if someone says "anyone here in support of concealed carry for everyone, please stand" it looks like the entire room stands up. It can make it look like there's even more of us than there are.
That's a good tip!
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Old 11-05-2008, 02:33 PM
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A tip from my dad, who's seen a lot of groups lobby the LA city council:

Don't all sit together. Spread out around the room. That way, we look like at least some of us came on our own, and if someone says "anyone here in support of concealed carry for everyone, please stand" it looks like the entire room stands up. It can make it look like there's even more of us than there are.
Good point and you have a wise man there.
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Old 11-10-2008, 07:03 AM
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Well I am new to this board but not new to ccw stuff. I have already pm'd Dan and will see you guys on the 18th.


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Old 11-10-2008, 07:52 AM
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Well I am new to this board but not new to ccw stuff. I have already pm'd Dan and will see you guys on the 18th.


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Great! Looking forward to meeting you on the 18th!

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Old 11-11-2008, 05:15 PM
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"Norby intends to ask his colleagues on Nov. 18 to adopt a new county policy that would require the sheriff to renew all previously issued permits unless the holder committed a crime or misused the permit."

NOW YOU ALL KNOW WHY YOU NEED TO BE THERE!
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Old 11-11-2008, 11:07 PM
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Old 11-12-2008, 09:50 AM
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"Norby intends to ask his colleagues on Nov. 18 to adopt a new county policy that would require the sheriff to renew all previously issued permits unless the holder committed a crime or misused the permit."

NOW YOU ALL KNOW WHY YOU NEED TO BE THERE!
I was surprised to see that he told that to the La Times reporter. Kinda let the cat out of the bag.
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Old 11-12-2008, 10:03 AM
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I was surprised to see that he told that to the La Times reporter. Kinda let the cat out of the bag.
Its ok... The other supervisors know already... as did we.
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You may be on to something Don. RD (RomanDad) may be the one to pass this one on to.

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Has there been any response to this question? It is an interesting question. Is the concept of using tools to exercise rights (defending life and liberty, protecting property and obtaining safety) not kosher?

What is the definition of the term property? If the definition is "anything that is not a human specie", then does the constitution not grant us the right to acquire and possess any form of "property"?

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Old 11-17-2008, 05:54 PM
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Has there been any response to this question? It is an interesting question. Is the concept of using tools to exercise rights (defending life and liberty, protecting property and obtaining safety) not kosher?

What is the definition of the term property? If the definition is "anything that is not a human specie", then does the constitution not grant us the right to acquire and possess any form of "property"?

Thanks in advance for any feedback.
Sorry... I dont remember the question.
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Old 11-17-2008, 06:27 PM
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ARTICLE 1 DECLARATION OF RIGHTS

SECTION 1. All people are by nature free and independent and have
inalienable rights. Among these are enjoying and defending life and
liberty, acquiring, possessing, and protecting property, and pursuing
and obtaining safety, happiness, and privacy.

The above was copied from the California State Constitution. It looks to me
like the requirement for a CCW license might be unconstitutional. "and obtaining safety" would mean that I can CCW for my personal safety. Could someone enlighten me about this?

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